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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rev Max: how does magick fit into what Wolf is decribing? There seems to be mechanisms by which we can alter what reality we end up observing....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev Max: how does magick fit into what Wolf is decribing? There seems to be mechanisms by which we can alter what reality we end up observing&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading around about the history of the Gospels last night and discovered something called the "Two-source hypothesis" about its origin, which I thought was a really interesting coincidence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-source_hypothesis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading around about the history of the Gospels last night and discovered something called the &#8220;Two-source hypothesis&#8221; about its origin, which I thought was a really interesting coincidence</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-source_hypothesis" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-source_hypothesis'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-source_hypothesis</a></p>
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		<title>By: drbedlem</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbedlem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used the following analogy once in a story to explain the nature of time.Time is a river, the past is a glacier, frozen and unchangable, the present is a waterfall, a constant motion of right now. The future is a wetlands of possibilities, with channels and streams of infinite choices and outcomes.We experiance the river forward but it runs backward, from the wetlands to the glacier, from possibilities to history, and we can only experiance the falls of Right Now.Not perfect, but then, I am no Stepehn Hawking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used the following analogy once in a story to explain the nature of time.Time is a river, the past is a glacier, frozen and unchangable, the present is a waterfall, a constant motion of right now. The future is a wetlands of possibilities, with channels and streams of infinite choices and outcomes.We experiance the river forward but it runs backward, from the wetlands to the glacier, from possibilities to history, and we can only experiance the falls of Right Now.Not perfect, but then, I am no Stepehn Hawking.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frederick Alan Wolf in his Parallel Universe: The Search for Other Worlds describes a universe which is 15 billion years old, sustained by the head-on collision of an infinite number of probability waves from the future and the past which meet in the present moment to create an infinite number of unobserved, possible universes, some more likely than others to become "real."

Why do we seem to live in one universe, rather than an infinite number of them? Our brains, Wolf speculates, may somehow composite all of this infinite number of possible universes into one lived-in universe at the moment of observation; the past and future meet to create the present we choose at the moment we choose it, and go off their merry ways to become probabilities again when we aren't looking any more.

In Wolf's view, there is no set future and no set past; the present moment is the only one that is "real," and even that a temporary illusion over which consciousness functions as a kind of overlay, creating one world from an infinite number of possible ones.

At this very moment, Wolf speculates, an infinite number of possible past yous may be sending singals to the future you, and an infinite number of future yous may be sending signals to the past; the closer these signals get, and the more the resemble each other, the greater the chance they have of becoming real in the present.

Wolf describes these clashing waves of probability travelling in opposite directions through time as "streams"; when the streams encounter each other in the present, consciousness somehow "marries" them. He speculates about how to "tune in" future possible realities:

"It is quite possible that visionaries are those who... marry streams coming from far time-distant sources... If we were totally able to "marry" corresponding times each and every moment of our time-bound existences, there would indeed be no sense of time and we would all realize the timeless state... But we fail to do this because we fail to discriminate between the many past and future sending stations attempting to communicate with us... ...Well, if there are parallel futures out there, all broadcasting back in time to us, surely there are some people who hear them or see them..."

(Frederick Alan Wolf, Parallel Universe: The Search for Other Worlds, p.224, pub. A.D.1988)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick Alan Wolf in his Parallel Universe: The Search for Other Worlds describes a universe which is 15 billion years old, sustained by the head-on collision of an infinite number of probability waves from the future and the past which meet in the present moment to create an infinite number of unobserved, possible universes, some more likely than others to become &#8220;real.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do we seem to live in one universe, rather than an infinite number of them? Our brains, Wolf speculates, may somehow composite all of this infinite number of possible universes into one lived-in universe at the moment of observation; the past and future meet to create the present we choose at the moment we choose it, and go off their merry ways to become probabilities again when we aren&#8217;t looking any more.</p>
<p>In Wolf&#8217;s view, there is no set future and no set past; the present moment is the only one that is &#8220;real,&#8221; and even that a temporary illusion over which consciousness functions as a kind of overlay, creating one world from an infinite number of possible ones.</p>
<p>At this very moment, Wolf speculates, an infinite number of possible past yous may be sending singals to the future you, and an infinite number of future yous may be sending signals to the past; the closer these signals get, and the more the resemble each other, the greater the chance they have of becoming real in the present.</p>
<p>Wolf describes these clashing waves of probability travelling in opposite directions through time as &#8220;streams&#8221;; when the streams encounter each other in the present, consciousness somehow &#8220;marries&#8221; them. He speculates about how to &#8220;tune in&#8221; future possible realities:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is quite possible that visionaries are those who&#8230; marry streams coming from far time-distant sources&#8230; If we were totally able to &#8220;marry&#8221; corresponding times each and every moment of our time-bound existences, there would indeed be no sense of time and we would all realize the timeless state&#8230; But we fail to do this because we fail to discriminate between the many past and future sending stations attempting to communicate with us&#8230; &#8230;Well, if there are parallel futures out there, all broadcasting back in time to us, surely there are some people who hear them or see them&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>(Frederick Alan Wolf, Parallel Universe: The Search for Other Worlds, p.224, pub. A.D.1988)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I haven't considered that! Thanks


&lt;blockquote&gt;We did not fall, period. 

Donâ€™t look down, then.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right, like in the cartoons - characters get caught up in the chase, run off the cliff and it's only when they look down and realize they no longer have the cliff under them that they fall!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I haven&#8217;t considered that! Thanks</p>
<blockquote><p>We did not fall, period. </p>
<p>Donâ€™t look down, then.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right, like in the cartoons - characters get caught up in the chase, run off the cliff and it&#8217;s only when they look down and realize they no longer have the cliff under them that they fall!</p>
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		<title>By: p</title>
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		<dc:creator>p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 20:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;check out â€˜Collective Electrodynamicsâ€™ by Carver Mead &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you, this looks really interesting!

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is all getting close to alchemyâ€¦ &lt;/blockquote&gt;

No coincidence, all investigations into Nature (known as science, history, mathematics, etc.) are (I believe, tyro that I am) equivalent to the Hermetic Operation in principle, but are tainted by superfluities which must be purged. Attempting to clean the wound with a dirty scalpel only exacerbates the problem, hence years are wasted on phlogiston, string theory, and false histories, not to mention the dangerous Industrial byproducts. The blade is so rusted and corroded that it turns back upon itself and is deflected from its goal. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;We did not fall, period. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don't look down, then.

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Tim, have you considered that the source and sink may be one, only distinguishable by function? The past and future could be thought of as simply two (virtual, conceptual) directions into which one can inquire, the present being the only apparent starting point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>check out â€˜Collective Electrodynamicsâ€™ by Carver Mead </p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you, this looks really interesting!</p>
<blockquote><p>This is all getting close to alchemyâ€¦ </p></blockquote>
<p>No coincidence, all investigations into Nature (known as science, history, mathematics, etc.) are (I believe, tyro that I am) equivalent to the Hermetic Operation in principle, but are tainted by superfluities which must be purged. Attempting to clean the wound with a dirty scalpel only exacerbates the problem, hence years are wasted on phlogiston, string theory, and false histories, not to mention the dangerous Industrial byproducts. The blade is so rusted and corroded that it turns back upon itself and is deflected from its goal. </p>
<blockquote><p>We did not fall, period. </p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t look down, then.</p>
<p>&#8212;<br />
Tim, have you considered that the source and sink may be one, only distinguishable by function? The past and future could be thought of as simply two (virtual, conceptual) directions into which one can inquire, the present being the only apparent starting point.</p>
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		<title>By: pmp</title>
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		<dc:creator>pmp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...the moments which we call â€œnowâ€ are more like the â€œinterference patternsâ€ where two lasers meet, captured on film in the creation of a hologram? If thatâ€™s the case, then the way that I would imagine our brain/mind might work is by firing the third laser onto the â€œfilmâ€ which then renders a three dimensional image duplicating the original. It may be a convoluted metaphor...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Convoluted?  Give yourself some credit, it's actually one of the best metaphors I've seen.

You might want to take a look at Peter Carroll's 6d (3d space + 3d time) model, if you haven't already, and Ebony Anpu's Tesseract Working.

It sure seems like there's some reality hopping going on, very likely a big one recently and a bunch throughout history; especially if you look at the number of times during the cold war in which we were right up at the brink of complete world annihilation; yet, here we are, still going!  If there have been so many close calls through history that we are aware of, imagine how many more must have happened that we never heard about.  Maybe, each time, we shed the uninhabitable parallel world like a snake sheds its skin.  Do prophecies of doom make it easier to avoid their target reality, harder, or are they just ephemeral trivia?

Constellations of coincidence and paradox radiate out from the fulcrum point and can provide evidence that the universe has pulled another fast one, right in front of our eyes, however the connections and distribution patterns are rarely, if ever, trackable to their source.  They follow a tenuously connected thread of seemingly random association, numerical asshattery, irrelevant linguistic jokes, and puns of the worst sort.  Countless souls have spent their lives analyzing the tiniest threads of this phenomenon, so vastly complex beyond our comprehension that it appears practically random, and assembled them into the most preposterous metaphysical conspiracy theories.  Down that road lies madness. It is much better to just observe.  Get a feel for the ebb and flow of these cosmic tides so you know instinctively when to jump or where to push your way into the universe next door.

&lt;blockquote&gt;We did not fall because of a moral error; we fell because of an intellectual error&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We did not fall, period.  That thought is just a false sense of nostalgia for past ignorance, a hopeless desire to be the eternal infant sucking in bliss on mommy's tit.
Eating the Fruit of Knowledge was the best thing that ever happened to us, easily worth one thousand lifetimes of suffering, a bargain at twice the price. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;the moments which we call â€œnowâ€ are more like the â€œinterference patternsâ€ where two lasers meet, captured on film in the creation of a hologram? If thatâ€™s the case, then the way that I would imagine our brain/mind might work is by firing the third laser onto the â€œfilmâ€ which then renders a three dimensional image duplicating the original. It may be a convoluted metaphor&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Convoluted?  Give yourself some credit, it&#8217;s actually one of the best metaphors I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
<p>You might want to take a look at Peter Carroll&#8217;s 6d (3d space + 3d time) model, if you haven&#8217;t already, and Ebony Anpu&#8217;s Tesseract Working.</p>
<p>It sure seems like there&#8217;s some reality hopping going on, very likely a big one recently and a bunch throughout history; especially if you look at the number of times during the cold war in which we were right up at the brink of complete world annihilation; yet, here we are, still going!  If there have been so many close calls through history that we are aware of, imagine how many more must have happened that we never heard about.  Maybe, each time, we shed the uninhabitable parallel world like a snake sheds its skin.  Do prophecies of doom make it easier to avoid their target reality, harder, or are they just ephemeral trivia?</p>
<p>Constellations of coincidence and paradox radiate out from the fulcrum point and can provide evidence that the universe has pulled another fast one, right in front of our eyes, however the connections and distribution patterns are rarely, if ever, trackable to their source.  They follow a tenuously connected thread of seemingly random association, numerical asshattery, irrelevant linguistic jokes, and puns of the worst sort.  Countless souls have spent their lives analyzing the tiniest threads of this phenomenon, so vastly complex beyond our comprehension that it appears practically random, and assembled them into the most preposterous metaphysical conspiracy theories.  Down that road lies madness. It is much better to just observe.  Get a feel for the ebb and flow of these cosmic tides so you know instinctively when to jump or where to push your way into the universe next door.</p>
<blockquote><p>We did not fall because of a moral error; we fell because of an intellectual error</p></blockquote>
<p>We did not fall, period.  That thought is just a false sense of nostalgia for past ignorance, a hopeless desire to be the eternal infant sucking in bliss on mommy&#8217;s tit.<br />
Eating the Fruit of Knowledge was the best thing that ever happened to us, easily worth one thousand lifetimes of suffering, a bargain at twice the price. <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and check out 'Collective Electrodynamics' by Carver Mead (one of the fathers of the integrated circuit). Dig this: the theory is that light cannot be emitted by an emitter unless that light will at some point in the future be absorbed by an absorber somewhere.

This is all getting close to alchemy... are we talking about objective phenomena, or about how people see the world? Or both? Lots of weirdness on this road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and check out &#8216;Collective Electrodynamics&#8217; by Carver Mead (one of the fathers of the integrated circuit). Dig this: the theory is that light cannot be emitted by an emitter unless that light will at some point in the future be absorbed by an absorber somewhere.</p>
<p>This is all getting close to alchemy&#8230; are we talking about objective phenomena, or about how people see the world? Or both? Lots of weirdness on this road.</p>
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		<title>By: SubstanceM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SubstanceM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and if god is eternal or eternity, then we can only be joined (we go to god, god on earth, however that event might play out) by no longer experiencing time, or we would know we were with god because time is no longer a factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and if god is eternal or eternity, then we can only be joined (we go to god, god on earth, however that event might play out) by no longer experiencing time, or we would know we were with god because time is no longer a factor.</p>
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		<title>By: SubstanceM</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/16/two-source-holographic-time/comment-page-1/#comment-25013</link>
		<dc:creator>SubstanceM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Time is just the absence of eternity&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Interesting description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Time is just the absence of eternity</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting description.</p>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Einstein teaches that time is kinda like space...

The 'arrow of time' is a perennial scientific conundrum: why does heat flow from hot to cold? The classical laws which we understand concerning the motion of atoms are 'reversible', meaning a universe run in reverse looks OK; the laws which we understand concerning heat are 'irreversible', meaning that a universe run in reverse looks really silly (smashed glasses reassembling themselves etc.) And we are taught at school that heat is just the motion of atoms, right? If you dig down to quantum mechanics you come across the idea that observation can change things irreversibly. From there you'll find Bell and Aspect, whose basic conclusions are that we don't really understand what 'observation' is in the first place.

The holographic idea made sense to me the first time I heard it, 'cos I'd already come across a crazy thing in electromagnetics by these guys Stratton and Chu, working from the ideas of that old fossil Huygens. If you draw a bubble round a region of space, and you know what the electromagnetic fields are on the bubble, then it turns out that you know all the fields inside the bubble too... Gnarly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Einstein teaches that time is kinda like space&#8230;</p>
<p>The &#8216;arrow of time&#8217; is a perennial scientific conundrum: why does heat flow from hot to cold? The classical laws which we understand concerning the motion of atoms are &#8216;reversible&#8217;, meaning a universe run in reverse looks OK; the laws which we understand concerning heat are &#8216;irreversible&#8217;, meaning that a universe run in reverse looks really silly (smashed glasses reassembling themselves etc.) And we are taught at school that heat is just the motion of atoms, right? If you dig down to quantum mechanics you come across the idea that observation can change things irreversibly. From there you&#8217;ll find Bell and Aspect, whose basic conclusions are that we don&#8217;t really understand what &#8216;observation&#8217; is in the first place.</p>
<p>The holographic idea made sense to me the first time I heard it, &#8216;cos I&#8217;d already come across a crazy thing in electromagnetics by these guys Stratton and Chu, working from the ideas of that old fossil Huygens. If you draw a bubble round a region of space, and you know what the electromagnetic fields are on the bubble, then it turns out that you know all the fields inside the bubble too&#8230; Gnarly.</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We did not fall because of a moral error; we fell because of an intellectual error: that of taking the phenomenal world as real. Therefore we are morally innocent. It is the Empire in its various disguised polyforms which tells us we have sinned. "The Empire never ended." 

The phenomenal world does not exist; it is a hypostasis of the information processed by the Mind. 

We hypostatize information into objects. Rearrangement of objects is change in the content of the information; the message has changed. This is a language which we have lost the ability to read. We ourselves are a part of this language; changes in us are changes in the content of the information. We ourselves are information-rich; information enters us, is processed and is then projected outward once more, now in an altered form. We are not aware that we are doing this, that in fact this is all we are doing. 

these above are from pkd`s tractates. i think we get glimpses of how to read and interact with the creative and coincedances are a clue to pay more attention..........see more clearly, day by day. (part of the lord`s prayer we used to say every day as children in england.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did not fall because of a moral error; we fell because of an intellectual error: that of taking the phenomenal world as real. Therefore we are morally innocent. It is the Empire in its various disguised polyforms which tells us we have sinned. &#8220;The Empire never ended.&#8221; </p>
<p>The phenomenal world does not exist; it is a hypostasis of the information processed by the Mind. </p>
<p>We hypostatize information into objects. Rearrangement of objects is change in the content of the information; the message has changed. This is a language which we have lost the ability to read. We ourselves are a part of this language; changes in us are changes in the content of the information. We ourselves are information-rich; information enters us, is processed and is then projected outward once more, now in an altered form. We are not aware that we are doing this, that in fact this is all we are doing. </p>
<p>these above are from pkd`s tractates. i think we get glimpses of how to read and interact with the creative and coincedances are a clue to pay more attention&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.see more clearly, day by day. (part of the lord`s prayer we used to say every day as children in england.)</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just accept that i`m the god of my understanding and get on with watching and being involved in the creation of the show.
i like the idea of being part of a fragmented consciousness scattered across the face of the planet experiencing billions of different points of view as the world spins in space.
we are the space men, the time travelers, the magicians..........it`s just that every time we turn our heads we forget.
it`s as if we are on giant forgeting machine.
maybe that`s the deeper meaning of the movie groundhog day, where bill murray eventually notices he`s repeating the same day over and over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just accept that i`m the god of my understanding and get on with watching and being involved in the creation of the show.<br />
i like the idea of being part of a fragmented consciousness scattered across the face of the planet experiencing billions of different points of view as the world spins in space.<br />
we are the space men, the time travelers, the magicians&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.it`s just that every time we turn our heads we forget.<br />
it`s as if we are on giant forgeting machine.<br />
maybe that`s the deeper meaning of the movie groundhog day, where bill murray eventually notices he`s repeating the same day over and over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/16/two-source-holographic-time/comment-page-1/#comment-24999</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More importantly what is consciousness that is observing the words and the conceptual ideas of the mind?  Without an understanding of consciousness that is perceiving time and events how will we know if our understanding is distorted or not?  Who is the conscious observer of this conceptual entity called time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More importantly what is consciousness that is observing the words and the conceptual ideas of the mind?  Without an understanding of consciousness that is perceiving time and events how will we know if our understanding is distorted or not?  Who is the conscious observer of this conceptual entity called time.</p>
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		<title>By: The Abstract Concept of Time at Happiness through Awareness and Self Mastery</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/16/two-source-holographic-time/comment-page-1/#comment-24998</link>
		<dc:creator>The Abstract Concept of Time at Happiness through Awareness and Self Mastery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The problem with creating conceptual models of time (Holographic Time)Â is that we end up understanding our conceptual diagram and mis-understand time. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The problem with creating conceptual models of time (Holographic Time)Â is that we end up understanding our conceptual diagram and mis-understand time. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another idea that JK put forward last night when we were talking about this: that time is being fired at us almost as though out of a hose. As a result, we think we are swimming through a stream linearly, but in actuality perhaps we are standing still and it is time that is flowing around us (more like we are rocks in the stream)

Dick seems to talk about this in lines 30 - 37 in the Tractates 
http://deoxy.org/pkd_tcs.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another idea that JK put forward last night when we were talking about this: that time is being fired at us almost as though out of a hose. As a result, we think we are swimming through a stream linearly, but in actuality perhaps we are standing still and it is time that is flowing around us (more like we are rocks in the stream)</p>
<p>Dick seems to talk about this in lines 30 - 37 in the Tractates<br />
<a href="http://deoxy.org/pkd_tcs.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://deoxy.org/pkd_tcs.htm'>http://deoxy.org/pkd_tcs.htm</a></p>
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