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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/30/vicarious-spirituality/comment-page-1/#comment-25483</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe thatâ€™s what real individuality is about, as opposed to the Madison-Avenue search for supposed self-expression that you have criticized in past columns&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes! I think you're absolutely right. That really ties something together for me. Thank you! The pieces you are referencing in particular:

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/17/beneath-the-burqa-ban/
http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/20/podcast-11-express-yourself/

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sometimes the more one analyses stuff the more obscure it gets.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, but sometimes less as well. I think the thing about tying yourself into knots mentally is that it forces you to a crisis point: either untie them or die trying. Certainly not the easiest way through the mess, but it works if you have the intestinal fortitude and patience to continue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe thatâ€™s what real individuality is about, as opposed to the Madison-Avenue search for supposed self-expression that you have criticized in past columns</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes! I think you&#8217;re absolutely right. That really ties something together for me. Thank you! The pieces you are referencing in particular:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/17/beneath-the-burqa-ban/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/17/beneath-the-burqa-ban/'>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/17/beneath-the-burqa-ban/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/20/podcast-11-express-yourself/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/20/podcast-11-express-yourself/'>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/20/podcast-11-express-yourself/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Sometimes the more one analyses stuff the more obscure it gets.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, but sometimes less as well. I think the thing about tying yourself into knots mentally is that it forces you to a crisis point: either untie them or die trying. Certainly not the easiest way through the mess, but it works if you have the intestinal fortitude and patience to continue</p>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/30/vicarious-spirituality/comment-page-1/#comment-25471</link>
		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can be very easy to tie oneself in mental knots... occasionally I find myself thinking too hard, and then I find myself thinking about thinking, and then I find myself thinking about thinking about thinking and a kind of cascade of craziness starts... one can easily bury the important kernel of truth beneath a mountain of analysis. Sometimes the more one analyses stuff the more obscure it gets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be very easy to tie oneself in mental knots&#8230; occasionally I find myself thinking too hard, and then I find myself thinking about thinking, and then I find myself thinking about thinking about thinking and a kind of cascade of craziness starts&#8230; one can easily bury the important kernel of truth beneath a mountain of analysis. Sometimes the more one analyses stuff the more obscure it gets.</p>
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		<title>By: jlhart7</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/30/vicarious-spirituality/comment-page-1/#comment-25468</link>
		<dc:creator>jlhart7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;you have to do it yourself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well said, Tim. Maybe that's what real individuality is about, as opposed to the Madison-Avenue search for supposed self-expression that you have criticized in past columns (I can't remember off the top of my head which columns). Those criticisms of self-expression have given me a lot to think about, because I figured that individuality was sort of at least one of the driving forces behind the whole spiritual-investigation thing you have going on here. But maybe what we ought to be looking for when we look for individual self-expression is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; the endless thirst for buying crap that somehow tells other people just which niche we fit into, but rather an attempt to seek answers to life's questions for ourselves, each of us, mindful of others doing the same thing (God do I sound like a hippie or what!). I read a book once years ago called The Quantum Society, which if I remember correctly talked about how the human personality is much like &lt;em&gt;and &lt;/em&gt;wave/particle things in quantum physics; just as something can be both a wave and a particle, a person is simultaneously an individual interdependent part-of-the-fabric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>you have to do it yourself.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well said, Tim. Maybe that&#8217;s what real individuality is about, as opposed to the Madison-Avenue search for supposed self-expression that you have criticized in past columns (I can&#8217;t remember off the top of my head which columns). Those criticisms of self-expression have given me a lot to think about, because I figured that individuality was sort of at least one of the driving forces behind the whole spiritual-investigation thing you have going on here. But maybe what we ought to be looking for when we look for individual self-expression is <em>not</em> the endless thirst for buying crap that somehow tells other people just which niche we fit into, but rather an attempt to seek answers to life&#8217;s questions for ourselves, each of us, mindful of others doing the same thing (God do I sound like a hippie or what!). I read a book once years ago called The Quantum Society, which if I remember correctly talked about how the human personality is much like <em>and </em>wave/particle things in quantum physics; just as something can be both a wave and a particle, a person is simultaneously an individual interdependent part-of-the-fabric.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/30/vicarious-spirituality/comment-page-1/#comment-25462</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, reading this only a few minutes later:

http://www.soul.org/Great%20Work.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;The exact process by which this transmutation is accomplished is taught to all students of the Fraternitas RosÃ¦ Crucis. While we cannot give the entire process here, we can give you a hint as to how this is to be accomplished. The human brain is so constructed that as we think and take actions these activities are recorded and programmed into the nerve cells. The more we think or do something, the stronger and stronger this nerve impression becomes. On the other hand, if we do not think or do certain things, the nerve impressions of these items gradually fade. If we consciously replace adverse thoughts and actions by those in harmony with the Divine Law, these more constructive elements will gradually replace the impressed nerve pathways of the less desirable elements. Thus, by first changing our thought patterns we are eventually able to change our emotions, and with the change in our emotions we are able to modify our actions. This is the basic physical functioning of transmutation. It takes a strong desire and constant effort on the part of the student to accomplish such a work, but it is an absolutely essential part of the Great Work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, reading this only a few minutes later:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.soul.org/Great%20Work.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.soul.org/Great%20Work.html'>http://www.soul.org/Great%20Work.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The exact process by which this transmutation is accomplished is taught to all students of the Fraternitas RosÃ¦ Crucis. While we cannot give the entire process here, we can give you a hint as to how this is to be accomplished. The human brain is so constructed that as we think and take actions these activities are recorded and programmed into the nerve cells. The more we think or do something, the stronger and stronger this nerve impression becomes. On the other hand, if we do not think or do certain things, the nerve impressions of these items gradually fade. If we consciously replace adverse thoughts and actions by those in harmony with the Divine Law, these more constructive elements will gradually replace the impressed nerve pathways of the less desirable elements. Thus, by first changing our thought patterns we are eventually able to change our emotions, and with the change in our emotions we are able to modify our actions. This is the basic physical functioning of transmutation. It takes a strong desire and constant effort on the part of the student to accomplish such a work, but it is an absolutely essential part of the Great Work.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH YEAH TOTALLY

Like I can be totally not negative outwardly towards others. And I can even with not a lot of effort get over being negative inwardly about them. But it's MUCH more difficult to simply not be negative towards myself. Like I can cut all these other people all kinds of crazy breaks - a compassion which I can't always seem to give towards myself. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH YEAH TOTALLY</p>
<p>Like I can be totally not negative outwardly towards others. And I can even with not a lot of effort get over being negative inwardly about them. But it&#8217;s MUCH more difficult to simply not be negative towards myself. Like I can cut all these other people all kinds of crazy breaks - a compassion which I can&#8217;t always seem to give towards myself.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/30/vicarious-spirituality/comment-page-1/#comment-25459</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About negativity though--I should clarify.

It is one thing to be not negative in regard to other people.  Actually, these days I sometimes find that much easier, and those rewards are superficial.

The real work is to not be negative INSIDE.

Know what I mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About negativity though&#8211;I should clarify.</p>
<p>It is one thing to be not negative in regard to other people.  Actually, these days I sometimes find that much easier, and those rewards are superficial.</p>
<p>The real work is to not be negative INSIDE.</p>
<p>Know what I mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/30/vicarious-spirituality/comment-page-1/#comment-25458</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I have found that by making a deliberate decision not to be negative I can sometimes actually do it and the rewards are self-evident.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, I've been noticing that as well a whole lot lately too. It can be very difficult to maintain, but when you start not being negative and put a real effort into it, you really do start feeling better. I always thought of that as being one of those way too obvious self-help type things that was bullshit, but its not. 

Magic Grubb:

No, I have never tried Pilates. I'm not actually sure I even like yoga yet, either. I haven't done it enough to know for certain. I did Tai Chi briefly in highschool and am thinking about taking that up again though, as I remember really enjoying that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have found that by making a deliberate decision not to be negative I can sometimes actually do it and the rewards are self-evident.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve been noticing that as well a whole lot lately too. It can be very difficult to maintain, but when you start not being negative and put a real effort into it, you really do start feeling better. I always thought of that as being one of those way too obvious self-help type things that was bullshit, but its not. </p>
<p>Magic Grubb:</p>
<p>No, I have never tried Pilates. I&#8217;m not actually sure I even like yoga yet, either. I haven&#8217;t done it enough to know for certain. I did Tai Chi briefly in highschool and am thinking about taking that up again though, as I remember really enjoying that.</p>
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		<title>By: magic grubb</title>
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		<dc:creator>magic grubb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly off topic, but after reading about your recent physical woes and after listening to your last podcast where you talked about doing yoga, I wanted to ask you, have you ever looked into Pilates?  I've never taken a yoga class and my half-assed attempts at yoga on my own weren't too fruitful (due to me, not the yoga), but I was given a book on Pilates stretching (I guess that's the kind without the actual Pilates machines) and there's a core concept called "the girdle of strength" and sometimes "the power girdle"....either way, I've been doing just that combined with a moderate stretching regimen and I've never felt better in my life.  I never knew how compacted and needlessly knotted our "cores" can be.  

The great thing with this Pilates breathing technique is that you can do it anywhere.  I had to sit through a TV show taping a few months ago and I had slept in a weird position the night before...after an hour of just sitting there and breathing and working that internal core network, I was fine. It's one of the few things I've found out about like this that's actually worked for me...and worked very quickly, to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off topic, but after reading about your recent physical woes and after listening to your last podcast where you talked about doing yoga, I wanted to ask you, have you ever looked into Pilates?  I&#8217;ve never taken a yoga class and my half-assed attempts at yoga on my own weren&#8217;t too fruitful (due to me, not the yoga), but I was given a book on Pilates stretching (I guess that&#8217;s the kind without the actual Pilates machines) and there&#8217;s a core concept called &#8220;the girdle of strength&#8221; and sometimes &#8220;the power girdle&#8221;&#8230;.either way, I&#8217;ve been doing just that combined with a moderate stretching regimen and I&#8217;ve never felt better in my life.  I never knew how compacted and needlessly knotted our &#8220;cores&#8221; can be.  </p>
<p>The great thing with this Pilates breathing technique is that you can do it anywhere.  I had to sit through a TV show taping a few months ago and I had slept in a weird position the night before&#8230;after an hour of just sitting there and breathing and working that internal core network, I was fine. It&#8217;s one of the few things I&#8217;ve found out about like this that&#8217;s actually worked for me&#8230;and worked very quickly, to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this Tim.

It resonates with me now because I have been closely examining my own negativity and trying to realize the sinfulness of it, in more precise terms "something not necessary."  I have found that by making a deliberate decision not to be negative I can sometimes actually do it and the rewards are self-evident.

Until the next inevitable big tsunami of lead comes to swallow me, I remain a curious "experiment"!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this Tim.</p>
<p>It resonates with me now because I have been closely examining my own negativity and trying to realize the sinfulness of it, in more precise terms &#8220;something not necessary.&#8221;  I have found that by making a deliberate decision not to be negative I can sometimes actually do it and the rewards are self-evident.</p>
<p>Until the next inevitable big tsunami of lead comes to swallow me, I remain a curious &#8220;experiment&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/11/30/vicarious-spirituality/comment-page-1/#comment-25449</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, for me personally. I find that I'm only able to make use of things I get from other people's experience way down the road: weeks, months, years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, for me personally. I find that I&#8217;m only able to make use of things I get from other people&#8217;s experience way down the road: weeks, months, years later.</p>
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		<title>By: zacharius</title>
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		<dc:creator>zacharius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's true none of that stuff you get from other people makes a difference unless you take charge of yourself, but once you do, even if you didn' t make much use of it in the past, some clear intent and a sense of responsibility can bring it to life for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true none of that stuff you get from other people makes a difference unless you take charge of yourself, but once you do, even if you didn&#8217; t make much use of it in the past, some clear intent and a sense of responsibility can bring it to life for you.</p>
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