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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 01:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a link for the Godlike Productions thing?</description>
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		<title>By: Jet</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/02/papal-magick-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-25595</link>
		<dc:creator>Jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 23:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goro was also intuiting strange things about the Pope and Turkey:
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/

Gaia Man (from Godlike Productions super-post) got a vision of the Pope  killed in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goro was also intuiting strange things about the Pope and Turkey:<br />
<a href="http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/'>http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/</a></p>
<p>Gaia Man (from Godlike Productions super-post) got a vision of the Pope  killed in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All the best fascists, occultists and elitists steal their symbology from the Turks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Turkey is a really interesting country. I remember learning about Ataturk in highschool and the "Westernization" of Turkey. I think an interesting study could also be made of the hold-overs of how the Ottoman's organized their Empire. From what I understand, it was more similar to how the Roman's used to do it pre-Christianity - where they would come in and take over, but really allow people to continue living in their own ethnic and religious communities - as opposed to the Roman Catholic method of conversion by the sword so they could install feudal Church-controlled tribal chieftains who ruled. Those two systems of management may account for a great deal of the conflicts in the world today</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>All the best fascists, occultists and elitists steal their symbology from the Turks.</p></blockquote>
<p>Turkey is a really interesting country. I remember learning about Ataturk in highschool and the &#8220;Westernization&#8221; of Turkey. I think an interesting study could also be made of the hold-overs of how the Ottoman&#8217;s organized their Empire. From what I understand, it was more similar to how the Roman&#8217;s used to do it pre-Christianity - where they would come in and take over, but really allow people to continue living in their own ethnic and religious communities - as opposed to the Roman Catholic method of conversion by the sword so they could install feudal Church-controlled tribal chieftains who ruled. Those two systems of management may account for a great deal of the conflicts in the world today</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/02/papal-magick-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-25588</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the best fascists, occultists and elitists steal their symbology from the Turks.

Even Oliver Stone apologized a few years back for writing the screenplay to "Midnight Express".

(Note willingness to make it all seem nonsensical)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the best fascists, occultists and elitists steal their symbology from the Turks.</p>
<p>Even Oliver Stone apologized a few years back for writing the screenplay to &#8220;Midnight Express&#8221;.</p>
<p>(Note willingness to make it all seem nonsensical)</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 04:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the pope is a media figure. he has to be seen as handling things. the muslim membership is growing worldwide and catholicism has taken hit after hit recently, so the guy in the fish hat is getting out and around to stir up the ring-kissing thingy...........mind you, i didn`t see the mufti genuflecting.

turn to face mecca. powerful ritual. powerful gesture.

several billion eyeballs on that few minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the pope is a media figure. he has to be seen as handling things. the muslim membership is growing worldwide and catholicism has taken hit after hit recently, so the guy in the fish hat is getting out and around to stir up the ring-kissing thingy&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..mind you, i didn`t see the mufti genuflecting.</p>
<p>turn to face mecca. powerful ritual. powerful gesture.</p>
<p>several billion eyeballs on that few minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/02/papal-magick-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-25531</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 22:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough. No more bickering. We're not here for this. Next person who bickers gets booted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough. No more bickering. We&#8217;re not here for this. Next person who bickers gets booted.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark S</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/02/papal-magick-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-25530</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 22:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;wow dudeâ€¦. thatâ€™s deep

note sarcasm.

what? no link to your blog? &lt;/blockquote&gt;


Note the Moron factor in here (not sarcasm)

That's why I don't post the link  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>wow dudeâ€¦. thatâ€™s deep</p>
<p>note sarcasm.</p>
<p>what? no link to your blog? </p></blockquote>
<p>Note the Moron factor in here (not sarcasm)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t post the link  <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/02/papal-magick-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-25529</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting:

http://news.oneindia.in/2006/09/22/turkish-potboiler-stirs-unease-ahead-of-popes-visit-1158899786.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;ISTANBUL, Sep 22: Visiting Turkey for the first time, Pope Benedict survives an assassination attempt staged by Western intelligence agencies bent on provoking a war with Iran.

Sound far-fetched? ''The Assassination of the Pope'' is pure fiction, of course. But a pot-boiler that few would have taken seriously 10 days ago has touched a deep vein of anxiety in Turkey, which has invited Benedict to visit on November 28.

Turkish leaders, like much of the Muslim world, were angered by the Pope's remarks last week that appeared to portray Islam as a religion tainted by violence.

Benedict has said he is sorry for hurting Muslims' feelings and the government says it still wants him to visit, but his remarks have fanned Turkish distrust of the church and one group of workers has even called for the Pope's arrest when he lands.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Also, the guy who wrote it claims that he did it to prevent it from actually happening:



&lt;blockquote&gt;Kaya said he hoped his thriller, which came out in May and has sold only 5,000 copies so far, might in fact help Benedict.

''One reason for writing this book was that such a thing could happen and Turkey would suffer as a result. So the book will encourage the Turkish state to take (security) measures,'' he told Reuters in an interview.

Kaya said he had become concerned for his own security since the novel began attracting media attention.

''I am getting worried about my life but I don't regret writing it,'' he said at his publishing house's offices in an old district of Istanbul as he expanded on the outlandish conspiracy theories which form the backbone of the book.

Kaya says his research on the Vatican had led him to believe shadowy groups could potentially conspire to kill the Pope.

Subtitled ''Who will kill the Pope in Istanbul?'', his book tells of how intelligence agencies stir up Islamists in Turkey and Benedict survives a bomb attack made to look as if it is carried out by Tehran in order to spark a U S attack on Iran.

The assassination attempt is also motivated by Opus Dei worries that the Pope's visit will bring a rapprochement between Rome and the Eastern Orthodox Patriarchate based in Istanbul.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.oneindia.in/2006/09/22/turkish-potboiler-stirs-unease-ahead-of-popes-visit-1158899786.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://news.oneindia.in/2006/09/22/turkish-potboiler-stirs-unease-ahead-of-popes-visit-1158899786.html'>http://news.oneindia.in/2006/09/22/tur...-ahead-of-popes-visit-1158899786.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>ISTANBUL, Sep 22: Visiting Turkey for the first time, Pope Benedict survives an assassination attempt staged by Western intelligence agencies bent on provoking a war with Iran.</p>
<p>Sound far-fetched? &#8221;The Assassination of the Pope&#8221; is pure fiction, of course. But a pot-boiler that few would have taken seriously 10 days ago has touched a deep vein of anxiety in Turkey, which has invited Benedict to visit on November 28.</p>
<p>Turkish leaders, like much of the Muslim world, were angered by the Pope&#8217;s remarks last week that appeared to portray Islam as a religion tainted by violence.</p>
<p>Benedict has said he is sorry for hurting Muslims&#8217; feelings and the government says it still wants him to visit, but his remarks have fanned Turkish distrust of the church and one group of workers has even called for the Pope&#8217;s arrest when he lands.</p></blockquote>
<p>Also, the guy who wrote it claims that he did it to prevent it from actually happening:</p>
<blockquote><p>Kaya said he hoped his thriller, which came out in May and has sold only 5,000 copies so far, might in fact help Benedict.</p>
<p>&#8221;One reason for writing this book was that such a thing could happen and Turkey would suffer as a result. So the book will encourage the Turkish state to take (security) measures,&#8221; he told Reuters in an interview.</p>
<p>Kaya said he had become concerned for his own security since the novel began attracting media attention.</p>
<p>&#8221;I am getting worried about my life but I don&#8217;t regret writing it,&#8221; he said at his publishing house&#8217;s offices in an old district of Istanbul as he expanded on the outlandish conspiracy theories which form the backbone of the book.</p>
<p>Kaya says his research on the Vatican had led him to believe shadowy groups could potentially conspire to kill the Pope.</p>
<p>Subtitled &#8221;Who will kill the Pope in Istanbul?&#8221;, his book tells of how intelligence agencies stir up Islamists in Turkey and Benedict survives a bomb attack made to look as if it is carried out by Tehran in order to spark a U S attack on Iran.</p>
<p>The assassination attempt is also motivated by Opus Dei worries that the Pope&#8217;s visit will bring a rapprochement between Rome and the Eastern Orthodox Patriarchate based in Istanbul.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: skip sievert</title>
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		<dc:creator>skip sievert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep waiting for one of the Popes to say they are just throwing in the towel , and from that point onward the Catholic church is dissolved.  That would make sense to me. 
The Pope would also say when he dissolved the church that  it was originally intended to be a sort of bad joke , and because humans were so gullible , they just had to keep it going , as it provided so much power and money to the perpetrators. 
The Pope would say he is sorry , and that all Catholics or former Catholics would now have to think for themselves. 
Could this Pope be the one who will expose it as a total fraud. ?  He may already have become to attached to those pretty red slippers , and his royal guard in their regalia to become the one.  But maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep waiting for one of the Popes to say they are just throwing in the towel , and from that point onward the Catholic church is dissolved.  That would make sense to me.<br />
The Pope would also say when he dissolved the church that  it was originally intended to be a sort of bad joke , and because humans were so gullible , they just had to keep it going , as it provided so much power and money to the perpetrators.<br />
The Pope would say he is sorry , and that all Catholics or former Catholics would now have to think for themselves.<br />
Could this Pope be the one who will expose it as a total fraud. ?  He may already have become to attached to those pretty red slippers , and his royal guard in their regalia to become the one.  But maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark S.</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/02/papal-magick-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-25524</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of symbolism and perhaps magick that has recently been bugging me, as what seems like a major current running through the timetable of events in social world history... I've been reading a little bit about the fourth crusade, which the Catholic church (a.ka western barbarians) dealt a very heavy blow to Eastern Christiandom, which inevitably led to its downfall by Muslim forces two centuries later. However what I think is a really interesting topic, involving snakes and symbolism etc., is the downfall of the great Aztec empire to Spanish "Crusading" christian soldiers in 1519. I think this is something interesting to look into... If you consider the snake and eagle symbols and imagery on the top of Bartholomew staff and crown to be universal in a magical and symbolic sense, then maybe there is a much bigger "staged" picture going on. 

I can't help but keep thinking about Montezuma and the prophecy of Quetzalcoatl or the return of the feathered Serpent god in their mythology. Call me crazy too, but I think there might be some kind of connection there as well, and who knows maybe even the Mayan 2012 prophecy?... Some of these events just seem so obscenely coincidental (and perhaps even forged prophecy), in the way they are played out. Would the Spanish have been able to conquer the local Aztec indians so easily had they not thought they were Gods? 

And seriously what is going on with the Pope, if Christianity represents less than 2 percent of the vast muslim population in Turkey, what exactly is the real significance of this "historic mission?" And to add fuel to the conspiratorial fire, What are the &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; reasons why Pope Benedict XVI is against Turkey's admission into the European union? Is this some kind of political ploy the Catholic church is putting on to try and throw us off of their real agenda?? Like I said in my blog, if Turkey was a member of the European union, would that really have an effect on the 99 percent Muslims practicing their faith, or the relative few 1 percent Christians from practicing theirs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of symbolism and perhaps magick that has recently been bugging me, as what seems like a major current running through the timetable of events in social world history&#8230; I&#8217;ve been reading a little bit about the fourth crusade, which the Catholic church (a.ka western barbarians) dealt a very heavy blow to Eastern Christiandom, which inevitably led to its downfall by Muslim forces two centuries later. However what I think is a really interesting topic, involving snakes and symbolism etc., is the downfall of the great Aztec empire to Spanish &#8220;Crusading&#8221; christian soldiers in 1519. I think this is something interesting to look into&#8230; If you consider the snake and eagle symbols and imagery on the top of Bartholomew staff and crown to be universal in a magical and symbolic sense, then maybe there is a much bigger &#8220;staged&#8221; picture going on. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but keep thinking about Montezuma and the prophecy of Quetzalcoatl or the return of the feathered Serpent god in their mythology. Call me crazy too, but I think there might be some kind of connection there as well, and who knows maybe even the Mayan 2012 prophecy?&#8230; Some of these events just seem so obscenely coincidental (and perhaps even forged prophecy), in the way they are played out. Would the Spanish have been able to conquer the local Aztec indians so easily had they not thought they were Gods? </p>
<p>And seriously what is going on with the Pope, if Christianity represents less than 2 percent of the vast muslim population in Turkey, what exactly is the real significance of this &#8220;historic mission?&#8221; And to add fuel to the conspiratorial fire, What are the <em>real</em> reasons why Pope Benedict XVI is against Turkey&#8217;s admission into the European union? Is this some kind of political ploy the Catholic church is putting on to try and throw us off of their real agenda?? Like I said in my blog, if Turkey was a member of the European union, would that really have an effect on the 99 percent Muslims practicing their faith, or the relative few 1 percent Christians from practicing theirs?</p>
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		<title>By: baumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>baumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 18:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;but then again arenâ€™t we all players living on this same grand stage?&lt;/blockquote&gt;


wow dude.... that's deep


&lt;em&gt;note sarcasm.&lt;/em&gt;

what? no link to your blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but then again arenâ€™t we all players living on this same grand stage?</p></blockquote>
<p>wow dude&#8230;. that&#8217;s deep</p>
<p><em>note sarcasm.</em></p>
<p>what? no link to your blog?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 18:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh damn, Tim is finally starting to catch up to the level of my blogs... You aren't somehow secretly spying on what I wrote four days ago about the pope?  Umm yeah it's staged, but then again aren't we all players living on this same grand stage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh damn, Tim is finally starting to catch up to the level of my blogs&#8230; You aren&#8217;t somehow secretly spying on what I wrote four days ago about the pope?  Umm yeah it&#8217;s staged, but then again aren&#8217;t we all players living on this same grand stage?</p>
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