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	<title>Comments on: At The Center of The Cross</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got any links on it?</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard that a cartoon in the UVA newspaper got in deep shit about making some math joke with Jesus crucified on the X and Y axis...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that a cartoon in the UVA newspaper got in deep shit about making some math joke with Jesus crucified on the X and Y axis&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: p</title>
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		<dc:creator>p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I haven't read it yet, but &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Symbolism-Cross-Rene-Guenon/dp/0900588659" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Symbolism of the Cross&lt;/a&gt;, by Rene Guenon, will almost certainly be worthwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I haven&#8217;t read it yet, but <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Symbolism-Cross-Rene-Guenon/dp/0900588659" rel="nofollow">The Symbolism of the Cross</a>, by Rene Guenon, will almost certainly be worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: p</title>
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		<dc:creator>p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cross also graphically depicts the trinity and the manifestation of multiplicity from unity. The vertical/active/male and horizontal/passive/female copulate to produce the manifest universe. 

See John Dee's &lt;a href="http://www.esotericarchives.com/dee/monad.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Hieroglyphic Monad&lt;/a&gt;, Theorems XVI, XVII, and XX. This illustrates how the two primary aspects of Unity, necessitate the mainfestation of the third, then the fourth. This corresponds to the scheme shown in the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetractys" rel="nofollow"&gt;Pythagorean tetractys&lt;/a&gt;.

Numerologically, 1+2+3+4=10=1+0=1, the Sephiroth, the enneagram, the tetractys, the Decad, also the Papal cross. (side note, the 1 2 3 4 numerological pattern shows up in ANY number base, as &lt;a href="http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s12/toc12.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Buckminster Fuller&lt;/a&gt; showed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cross also graphically depicts the trinity and the manifestation of multiplicity from unity. The vertical/active/male and horizontal/passive/female copulate to produce the manifest universe. </p>
<p>See John Dee&#8217;s <a href="http://www.esotericarchives.com/dee/monad.htm" rel="nofollow">Hieroglyphic Monad</a>, Theorems XVI, XVII, and XX. This illustrates how the two primary aspects of Unity, necessitate the mainfestation of the third, then the fourth. This corresponds to the scheme shown in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetractys" rel="nofollow">Pythagorean tetractys</a>.</p>
<p>Numerologically, 1+2+3+4=10=1+0=1, the Sephiroth, the enneagram, the tetractys, the Decad, also the Papal cross. (side note, the 1 2 3 4 numerological pattern shows up in ANY number base, as <a href="http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s12/toc12.html" rel="nofollow">Buckminster Fuller</a> showed.</p>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(And then there's the Chi-Rho, a compound letter of antiquity representing the Christ, consisiting of a cross with one arm rounded into a 'P' shape)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(And then there&#8217;s the Chi-Rho, a compound letter of antiquity representing the Christ, consisiting of a cross with one arm rounded into a &#8216;P&#8217; shape)</p>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 14:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Yes.

2. Can I have some of what you're smoking? :-) That thing about zero is off-the-chart.

3. I have wondered for a while about the link between the symbolism of the cross and the four Elements of antiquity (which do correspond exactly with the four States of modern science). The symbol of the Mandala (equi-axed cross in a circle), which represents peace, wisdom etc., seems a bridge between the two.

Do you see the comma, then, a kind of fifth element? (traditionally identified as the Philosopher's Stone, the Grail etc.)

Note that the contemporary Christian cross has a long tail. And what about the Egyptian ankh, where one tail is as if split into two? And early Celtic crosses were always placed in a circle. (The British Museum had a big pile of them a while back, but I wasn't brave enough to ask the curators /why/. And /when/ they stopped doing it.)

My own view (hunch, intuition, whatever) is that one of the tails of the cross is indeed twin, making five, but it is largely beyond our ken to see it. It's like the way we each have five fingers, but only (so I am told) four control circuits, which leads to the fourth finger being 'lazy'. (Unless you hurt your hand, when the bizarrest thing will happen and your hurt finger will go 'lazy' while the others take up the work.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Yes.</p>
<p>2. Can I have some of what you&#8217;re smoking? <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> That thing about zero is off-the-chart.</p>
<p>3. I have wondered for a while about the link between the symbolism of the cross and the four Elements of antiquity (which do correspond exactly with the four States of modern science). The symbol of the Mandala (equi-axed cross in a circle), which represents peace, wisdom etc., seems a bridge between the two.</p>
<p>Do you see the comma, then, a kind of fifth element? (traditionally identified as the Philosopher&#8217;s Stone, the Grail etc.)</p>
<p>Note that the contemporary Christian cross has a long tail. And what about the Egyptian ankh, where one tail is as if split into two? And early Celtic crosses were always placed in a circle. (The British Museum had a big pile of them a while back, but I wasn&#8217;t brave enough to ask the curators /why/. And /when/ they stopped doing it.)</p>
<p>My own view (hunch, intuition, whatever) is that one of the tails of the cross is indeed twin, making five, but it is largely beyond our ken to see it. It&#8217;s like the way we each have five fingers, but only (so I am told) four control circuits, which leads to the fourth finger being &#8216;lazy&#8217;. (Unless you hurt your hand, when the bizarrest thing will happen and your hurt finger will go &#8216;lazy&#8217; while the others take up the work.)</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No better way to take the Empire by surprise has been thought up yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No better way to take the Empire by surprise has been thought up yet.</p>
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		<title>By: postmagick</title>
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		<dc:creator>postmagick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats pretty profound.... good insight Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats pretty profound&#8230;. good insight Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/07/the-center-of-the-cross/comment-page-1/#comment-25761</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! I actually thought this up over the weekend fuj. And pmp, yeah I agree it is absurd, but its too cool not to consider on some level regardless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! I actually thought this up over the weekend fuj. And pmp, yeah I agree it is absurd, but its too cool not to consider on some level regardless</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brilliant tim!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brilliant tim!</p>
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		<title>By: SubstanceM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SubstanceM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He is the comma itself. And the comma has no numerical value within the graphing process. It is overlooked by the empire as unimportant and meaningless, a separator between two things that have real measurable quantifiable value. Meanwhile the comma floats across the entire coordinate system of the graph. It cannot be pinned down. It is everywhere and nowhere. The Holy Spirit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow. nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He is the comma itself. And the comma has no numerical value within the graphing process. It is overlooked by the empire as unimportant and meaningless, a separator between two things that have real measurable quantifiable value. Meanwhile the comma floats across the entire coordinate system of the graph. It cannot be pinned down. It is everywhere and nowhere. The Holy Spirit.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow. nice.</p>
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		<title>By: fuj</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently I wasn't the only one pondering the meaning of the&lt;a href="http://www.2012theodyssey.com/articles-2012Topology.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;cross&lt;/a&gt; last night...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently I wasn&#8217;t the only one pondering the meaning of the<a href="http://www.2012theodyssey.com/articles-2012Topology.html" rel="nofollow">cross</a> last night&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pmp</title>
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		<dc:creator>pmp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>absolutely preposterous, yet totally fascinating! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>absolutely preposterous, yet totally fascinating! <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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