Comments on: It’s All In Your Head! http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:18:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: slomo http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27618 slomo Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:23:53 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27618 Zardoz is one of my all-time favorite movies. When I was only about 12 I was immediately attracted to the movie when I saw a commercial for a television airing of it. I get something new out of it every time I watch it. Zardoz is one of my all-time favorite movies. When I was only about 12 I was immediately attracted to the movie when I saw a commercial for a television airing of it. I get something new out of it every time I watch it.

]]> By: Avi Solomon http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27617 Avi Solomon Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:14:36 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27617 Become Headless!: http://www.headless.org/ Become Headless!:
http://www.headless.org/

]]> By: speedbird http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27514 speedbird Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:21:37 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27514 ... ok, just for you (deep breath) ... I ran into this thought that said, when you're writing a story, you can't kill a character off /from their point of view/. Which just scared the bejasus out of me and I ran away screaming. But then I was spending my time watching films like 'Flatliners', which does mess with your head. Good to see Keifer's career is doin' well, tho. … ok, just for you (deep breath) … I ran into this thought that said, when you’re writing a story, you can’t kill a character off /from their point of view/. Which just scared the bejasus out of me and I ran away screaming.

But then I was spending my time watching films like ‘Flatliners’, which does mess with your head. Good to see Keifer’s career is doin’ well, tho.

]]> By: speedbird http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27510 speedbird Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:51:35 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27510 'Feeling like a character in a tale'... I get it sometimes (especially reading threads like this!) and basically it just scares the crap out of me. Feels so wrong, like a short-circuit in your mind. I followed the thought briefly at University and it led me into a dark scary sort of place. I try not to go there right now. All to do with the strange effects of point of view. Brrr... ‘Feeling like a character in a tale’… I get it sometimes (especially reading threads like this!) and basically it just scares the crap out of me. Feels so wrong, like a short-circuit in your mind. I followed the thought briefly at University and it led me into a dark scary sort of place. I try not to go there right now. All to do with the strange effects of point of view. Brrr…

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27458 Tim Boucher Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:42:15 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27458 And... now that you bring up the whole Baptist Head thing, that reminds me that Orpheus' head also supposedly still sang and prophesied after his death: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpheus Which nicely connects us back to the Orphic Egg! And… now that you bring up the whole Baptist Head thing, that reminds me that Orpheus’ head also supposedly still sang and prophesied after his death:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpheus

Which nicely connects us back to the Orphic Egg!

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27453 Tim Boucher Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:52:02 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27453 Ah, very interesting! Thank you! Ah, very interesting! Thank you!

]]> By: jp http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27448 jp Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:16:11 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27448 Don't have time for lots of commmentary, but here are a couple of additonal possible leads for you: John the Baptist has a huge collection of head-related lore. According to some orthodox traditions, his head was found three times! <a href="http://www.goarch.org/en/Chapel/saints.asp?contentid=440" rel="nofollow">http://www.goarch.org/en/Chapel/saints.asp?contentid=440</a> In the gnostic tradition, the Secret Book of John has some enlightening things to say: Then I asked him, "Lord, how shall we be able to prophesy to those who request us to prophesy to them? For there are many who ask us, and look to us to hear an oracle from us." The Lord answered and said, "Do you not know that the head of prophecy was cut off with John?" <blockquote>But I said, "Lord, can it be possible to remove the head of prophecy?" The Lord said to me, "When you come to know what 'head' means, and that prophecy issues from the head, (then) understand the meaning of 'Its head was removed.' At first I spoke to you in parables, and you did not understand; now I speak to you openly, and you (still) do not perceive. Yet, it was you who served me as a parable in parables, and as that which is open in the (words) that are open. "Hasten to be saved without being urged! Instead, be eager of your own accord, and, if possible, arrive even before me; for thus the Father will love you." </blockquote> And, there's a cryptic quote told to PKD by the AI: "The Head Apollo is about to return." Some interesting theorizing can be found in that Black Knight Satellite article from a while back: http://www.excludedmiddle.com/valisknight.htm Don’t have time for lots of commmentary, but here are a couple of additonal possible leads for you:

John the Baptist has a huge collection of head-related lore. According to some orthodox traditions, his head was found three times!

http://www.goarch.org/en/Chapel/saints.asp?contentid=440

In the gnostic tradition, the Secret Book of John has some enlightening things to say:

Then I asked him, “Lord, how shall we be able to prophesy to those who request us to prophesy to them? For there are many who ask us, and look to us to hear an oracle from us.”
The Lord answered and said, “Do you not know that the head of prophecy was cut off with John?”

But I said, “Lord, can it be possible to remove the head of prophecy?”
The Lord said to me, “When you come to know what ‘head’ means, and that prophecy issues from the head, (then) understand the meaning of ‘Its head was removed.’ At first I spoke to you in parables, and you did not understand; now I speak to you openly, and you (still) do not perceive. Yet, it was you who served me as a parable in parables, and as that which is open in the (words) that are open.

“Hasten to be saved without being urged! Instead, be eager of your own accord, and, if possible, arrive even before me; for thus the Father will love you.”

And, there’s a cryptic quote told to PKD by the AI: “The Head Apollo is about to return.” Some interesting theorizing can be found in that Black Knight Satellite article from a while back:

http://www.excludedmiddle.com/valisknight.htm

]]> By: David http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27374 David Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:46:22 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27374 <blockquote>What do you mean by your “line”?</blockquote> www.gurdjieff.org

What do you mean by your “line”?

http://www.gurdjieff.org

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27329 Tim Boucher Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:57:19 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27329 <blockquote>The Orphic Egg, right?</blockquote> Yup! http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsorphicegg.htm It's the symbol of the AI-technocratic company/government in my novel. From the egg are born the "dyadic admins" of the company (called TOTU) who run a television show which is broadcast into everyone's minds so that they can all be hooked into a consensus consciousness (consensciousness)

The Orphic Egg, right?

Yup!

http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsorphicegg.htm

It’s the symbol of the AI-technocratic company/government in my novel. From the egg are born the “dyadic admins” of the company (called TOTU) who run a television show which is broadcast into everyone’s minds so that they can all be hooked into a consensus consciousness (consensciousness)

]]> By: p http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27319 p Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:17:47 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27319 <blockquote>Could you expand on this more? The weird part is that last night I was working on my novel and ended up incorporating a scene based on that symbol of the snake coiled around the egg… </blockquote> The Orphic Egg, right? I don't know what else to say really... there are some interesting consequences: 1) The practice of physics takes place exclusively inside the sensorial sphere. It will be <strong>self-evident</strong> that this is so, it needs no proof. It is clear. 2) The domain of <em>meta</em>physics should also be clear. Physical phenomena are the manifestation of in-visible metaphysical principles. --- Talking about this with a friend (irl) some months ago, I was trying to get him to see it: "people think that "metaphysics" is about ghosts and spooks, no, the metaphysical dimension is not "out there" somewhere, it's not. I'm going to point to it, I'm going to point in its direction. Ready?" http://tinyurl.com/wdw65 (he saw!)

Could you expand on this more? The weird part is that last night I was working on my novel and ended up incorporating a scene based on that symbol of the snake coiled around the egg…

The Orphic Egg, right? I don’t know what else to say really… there are some interesting consequences:

1) The practice of physics takes place exclusively inside the sensorial sphere. It will be self-evident that this is so, it needs no proof. It is clear.
2) The domain of metaphysics should also be clear. Physical phenomena are the manifestation of in-visible metaphysical principles.

—

Talking about this with a friend (irl) some months ago, I was trying to get him to see it: “people think that “metaphysics” is about ghosts and spooks, no, the metaphysical dimension is not “out there” somewhere, it’s not. I’m going to point to it, I’m going to point in its direction. Ready?”

http://tinyurl.com/wdw65

(he saw!)

]]> By: Playing Your Character - Pop Occulture http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27310 Playing Your Character - Pop Occulture Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:33:57 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27310 [...] Since somebody else brought this up in the comments, I thought I would just dive right in. The topic of the moment is the notion of living your life as though you were playing a character. [...] [...] Since somebody else brought this up in the comments, I thought I would just dive right in. The topic of the moment is the notion of living your life as though you were playing a character. [...]

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27308 Tim Boucher Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:52:29 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27308 <blockquote>You achieved by both grace and effort what those in my “line” sometimes refer to as “The Third State Of Consciousness” </blockquote> What do you mean by your "line"?

You achieved by both grace and effort what those in my “line” sometimes refer to as “The Third State Of Consciousness”

What do you mean by your “line”?

]]> By: David http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27303 David Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:08:37 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27303 Congratulations Tim. You achieved by both grace and effort what those in my "line" sometimes refer to as "The Third State Of Consciousness" - that is, true self-consciousness. Normally we as we are in "waking life" are only in the second state, another form of sleep, and believe that we are conscious of "self," although we have no idea what that "self" is to begin with. Don't believe that you can get it back at will, although you may have picked up some important clues. But an important experience. Some never have it unless given grace and they forget and don't place any importance on it. Congratulations Tim. You achieved by both grace and effort what those in my “line” sometimes refer to as “The Third State Of Consciousness” - that is, true self-consciousness. Normally we as we are in “waking life” are only in the second state, another form of sleep, and believe that we are conscious of “self,” although we have no idea what that “self” is to begin with.

Don’t believe that you can get it back at will, although you may have picked up some important clues. But an important experience. Some never have it unless given grace and they forget and don’t place any importance on it.

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27285 Tim Boucher Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:17:20 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27285 <blockquote>I fear, however, you’re hinting at the feeling of being a character in a tale.</blockquote> I guess part of where I'm going with this is that you can be both a soldier and a general, if that makes any sense...

I fear, however, you’re hinting at the feeling of being a character in a tale.

I guess part of where I’m going with this is that you can be both a soldier and a general, if that makes any sense…

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27272 Tim Boucher Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:45:55 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27272 <blockquote>Did it feel like you still had a particular point of view?</blockquote> Yes, like I was fully immersed in my body and the moment... but I knew there was more to it all than just that <blockquote>I fear, however, you’re hinting at the feeling of being a character in a tale. My personal experience of that one is that there’s an effin’ big hole in the ground down that road.</blockquote> Why fear it? What's the hole? That is only one half of what I am hinting at. The other half totally contradicts it but I just woke up and can't remember what that is at the moment. <blockquote>What is life but a collection of stories told about itself?</blockquote> Well I am starting to think that's the least important part of life! <blockquote>“The soul is not inside the body, the body is inside the soul.”</blockquote> Oh awesome! I never did get to read the Invisibles! <blockquote>I believe the topic of this post is connected to the alchemical flask or egg, because of the analogous qualities of the experience and because I first experienced this mind/body inversion while reading an alchemy text by Adiramled.</blockquote> Could you expand on this more? The weird part is that last night I was working on my novel and ended up incorporating a scene based on that symbol of the snake coiled around the egg...

Did it feel like you still had a particular point of view?

Yes, like I was fully immersed in my body and the moment… but I knew there was more to it all than just that

I fear, however, you’re hinting at the feeling of being a character in a tale. My personal experience of that one is that there’s an effin’ big hole in the ground down that road.

Why fear it? What’s the hole? That is only one half of what I am hinting at. The other half totally contradicts it but I just woke up and can’t remember what that is at the moment.

What is life but a collection of stories told about itself?

Well I am starting to think that’s the least important part of life!

“The soul is not inside the body, the body is inside the soul.”

Oh awesome! I never did get to read the Invisibles!

I believe the topic of this post is connected to the alchemical flask or egg, because of the analogous qualities of the experience and because I first experienced this mind/body inversion while reading an alchemy text by Adiramled.

Could you expand on this more? The weird part is that last night I was working on my novel and ended up incorporating a scene based on that symbol of the snake coiled around the egg…

]]> By: kylark http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27254 kylark Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:57:39 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27254 Tim, you might enjoy this recent Metafilter thread, specifically for the discussion of why earnestly weird movies like Zardoz don't get made anymore (at least not by Hollywood): http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/56744 Also, I just read your post about <i>The Fountain</i> today and just wanted to chime in and say I enjoyed it as well. I found the imagery gorgeous and the them and plot very moving. Tim, you might enjoy this recent Metafilter thread, specifically for the discussion of why earnestly weird movies like Zardoz don’t get made anymore (at least not by Hollywood):

http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/56744

Also, I just read your post about The Fountain today and just wanted to chime in and say I enjoyed it as well. I found the imagery gorgeous and the them and plot very moving.

]]> By: chris http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27249 chris Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:38:37 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27249 What you experienced is called "beginner's mind" in Zen. Actually it is the whole point of spiritual practice to experience the spaciousness you felt. This spaciousness puts your whole attention in the present moment rather than the "stories" or narrative we mainly live in. We experience the world and our bodies "in our head" as part of an ongoing story of "me". Spiritual practices can point us to being completely here to the world as it is rather than mediated through a story--at the same time these practices also make us aware of our stories as if they were just another phenomenum no better or worse than a rose or the liquid eyes of our lover. What you experienced is called “beginner’s mind” in Zen. Actually it is the whole point of spiritual practice to experience the spaciousness you felt. This spaciousness puts your whole attention in the present moment rather than the “stories” or narrative we mainly live in. We experience the world and our bodies “in our head” as part of an ongoing story of “me”. Spiritual practices can point us to being completely here to the world as it is rather than mediated through a story–at the same time these practices also make us aware of our stories as if they were just another phenomenum no better or worse than a rose or the liquid eyes of our lover.

]]> By: p http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27235 p Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:04:46 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27235 Tom O'Bedlam in The Invisibles said "The soul is not inside the body, the body is inside the soul." I believe the topic of this post is connected to the alchemical flask or egg, because of the analogous qualities of the experience and because I first experienced this mind/body inversion while reading an alchemy text by Adiramled. Tom O’Bedlam in The Invisibles said “The soul is not inside the body, the body is inside the soul.”

I believe the topic of this post is connected to the alchemical flask or egg, because of the analogous qualities of the experience and because I first experienced this mind/body inversion while reading an alchemy text by Adiramled.

]]> By: fuj http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27190 fuj Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:03:41 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27190 What is life but a collection of stories told about itself? What is life but a collection of stories told about itself?

]]> By: speedbird http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-27049 speedbird Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:17:09 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-27049 I kinda like where you're going here. I spent most of yesterday evening thinking about the concept of a distributed self, and basically came to the conclusion that 'What are the components of the self?' is an EXCELLENT question. I can relate an experience similar to the one you describe, driving one night through the town of Salisbury (like that's relevant, except that it has the most insanely preternatural cathedral spire and Stonehenge sleeps just down the road) - I felt unnaturally aware of my surroundings, and the usual traffic jam just seemed to part around me - really trippy. Are these experiences common in mystical traditions, I wonder? Is this an astral-plane kinda thing? Did it feel like you still had a particular point of view? I fear, however, you're hinting at the feeling of being a character in a tale. My personal experience of that one is that there's an effin' big hole in the ground down that road. I kinda like where you’re going here. I spent most of yesterday evening thinking about the concept of a distributed self, and basically came to the conclusion that ‘What are the components of the self?’ is an EXCELLENT question.

I can relate an experience similar to the one you describe, driving one night through the town of Salisbury (like that’s relevant, except that it has the most insanely preternatural cathedral spire and Stonehenge sleeps just down the road) - I felt unnaturally aware of my surroundings, and the usual traffic jam just seemed to part around me - really trippy.

Are these experiences common in mystical traditions, I wonder? Is this an astral-plane kinda thing?

Did it feel like you still had a particular point of view?

I fear, however, you’re hinting at the feeling of being a character in a tale. My personal experience of that one is that there’s an effin’ big hole in the ground down that road.

]]> By: human? http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-26996 human? Thu, 14 Dec 2006 05:26:14 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-26996 http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.asp i feel like its both at the same time. in a mind, have a mind of our own, and probably totally out of our minds. :) one human? http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.asp

i feel like its both at the same time.

in a mind, have a mind of our own, and probably totally out of our minds. :)

one
human?

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-26995 Tim Boucher Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:45:24 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-26995 What a weird fucking movie... I should rent that again sometime. They just don't make weird-ass movies like that anymore. It's too bad. What a weird fucking movie… I should rent that again sometime. They just don’t make weird-ass movies like that anymore. It’s too bad.

]]> By: Al http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/comment-page-1/#comment-26993 Al Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:16:50 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/13/its-all-in-your-head/#comment-26993 "The gun is good!!!" “The gun is good!!!”

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