Comments on: How You See You http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:22:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Hearts On Fire » Blog Archive » What Love Really Is http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/comment-page-1/#comment-84093 Hearts On Fire » Blog Archive » What Love Really Is Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:43:30 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/#comment-84093 [...] One thing that has been rattling around in my mind a lot lately: this whole idea of the self. The self is supposed to be this unitary thing that we are. The etymology of it goes back to seolf or sulf, from Old English, where it meant “one’s own person, same.” That in turn hooks backwards into Indo-European linguistic roots with “s(w)e” which apparently means “separate, apart.” Evidently, this is the origin also of our modern words such as: self, gossip, suicide, secret, sober, sullen, ethic, and idiot. [...] [...] One thing that has been rattling around in my mind a lot lately: this whole idea of the self. The self is supposed to be this unitary thing that we are. The etymology of it goes back to seolf or sulf, from Old English, where it meant “one’s own person, same.” That in turn hooks backwards into Indo-European linguistic roots with “s(w)e” which apparently means “separate, apart.” Evidently, this is the origin also of our modern words such as: self, gossip, suicide, secret, sober, sullen, ethic, and idiot. [...]

]]> By: jlhart7 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/comment-page-1/#comment-29008 jlhart7 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 02:11:31 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/#comment-29008 Knew you'd say that, and you're right, inasmuch as I'd resent anyone trying to tell me anyway. Sorry for posting that shit -- don't know why I did. By the way, what do you mean, if I may monopolize more of your time, by <blockquote>How their energy intersects with yours</blockquote> ? And how does how they see you differ from what they think of you? Knew you’d say that, and you’re right, inasmuch as I’d resent anyone trying to tell me anyway. Sorry for posting that shit — don’t know why I did.

By the way, what do you mean, if I may monopolize more of your time, by

How their energy intersects with yours

?

And how does how they see you differ from what they think of you?

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/comment-page-1/#comment-28990 Tim Boucher Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:35:06 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/#comment-28990 <blockquote>my mom thinks I’m a retard </blockquote> No no. The exercise I was describing, it doesn't have anything to do with what these people think - it has to do with how they see. How their energy intersects with yours. What they think is a result of that. <blockquote>By the way, Tim, could you tell me what I’m supposed to be doing with my life?</blockquote> No - sorry! Part of the fun of the whole thing is figuring it out on your own.

my mom thinks I’m a retard

No no. The exercise I was describing, it doesn’t have anything to do with what these people think - it has to do with how they see. How their energy intersects with yours. What they think is a result of that.

By the way, Tim, could you tell me what I’m supposed to be doing with my life?

No - sorry! Part of the fun of the whole thing is figuring it out on your own.

]]> By: jlhart7 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/comment-page-1/#comment-28882 jlhart7 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:57:58 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/#comment-28882 Let's see ... my mom thinks I'm a retard who will always be a burden and who failed at the best job I could've ever gotten; my friends who are Christians are worried about my eternal soul; my friends who aren't Christians just think I'm a naive spoiled College of Wooster grad leftist; pretty much everybody thinks I'm a scrub who threw away all his potential; and until recently most people probably thought I was gay and some probably still do. By the way, Tim, could you tell me what I'm supposed to be doing with my life? What kind of consciousness am I supposed to be aiming for? What relationship should I have with my own ego? You seem to know and everything I think is always wrong, so ... please just tell me. Let’s see … my mom thinks I’m a retard who will always be a burden and who failed at the best job I could’ve ever gotten; my friends who are Christians are worried about my eternal soul; my friends who aren’t Christians just think I’m a naive spoiled College of Wooster grad leftist; pretty much everybody thinks I’m a scrub who threw away all his potential; and until recently most people probably thought I was gay and some probably still do.

By the way, Tim, could you tell me what I’m supposed to be doing with my life? What kind of consciousness am I supposed to be aiming for? What relationship should I have with my own ego? You seem to know and everything I think is always wrong, so … please just tell me.

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/comment-page-1/#comment-28810 Tim Boucher Wed, 20 Dec 2006 05:58:02 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/#comment-28810 http://www.headless.org/english-new/experiments/closed-eyes.htm <blockquote>If you pass beyond form, O friends, it is Paradise and rose-gardens within rose-gardens. When thou hast broken and destroyed thine own form, thou hast learned to break the form of everything. - Rumi</blockquote> http://www.headless.org/english-new/experiments/closed-eyes.htm

If you pass beyond form, O friends, it is Paradise and rose-gardens within rose-gardens.

When thou hast broken and destroyed thine own form, thou hast learned to break the form of everything. - Rumi

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/comment-page-1/#comment-28464 Tim Boucher Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:23:33 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/#comment-28464 Wow, I need to read me some Crowley some time soon. Also strange because I have been getting a lot of "king" related hits the past 24 hours as well. Wow, I need to read me some Crowley some time soon. Also strange because I have been getting a lot of “king” related hits the past 24 hours as well.

]]> By: Gyrus http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/comment-page-1/#comment-28371 Gyrus Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:40:01 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/#comment-28371 I like Crowley's bit in <i>Liber Al</i> that resolves the desire for death of the body with the desire to live a full life (among other less exoteric stuff): <blockquote>The length of thy longing shall be the strength of its glory. He that lives long & desires death much is ever the King among the Kings.</blockquote> I like Crowley’s bit in Liber Al that resolves the desire for death of the body with the desire to live a full life (among other less exoteric stuff):

The length of thy longing shall be the strength of its glory. He that lives long & desires death much is ever the King among the Kings.

]]> By: Adam http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/comment-page-1/#comment-28273 Adam Mon, 18 Dec 2006 05:22:34 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/#comment-28273 Here's Alan Watts in Psycotherapy East and West quoting George Herbert Mead: "The individual enters as such into his own experience only as an object, not as a subject; and he can enter as an object only on the basis of social relations and interactions, only by means of his experiential transactions with other individuals in an organized social environment.....only by taking the attitudes of others towards himself - is he able to become an object to himself" Here’s Alan Watts in Psycotherapy East and West quoting George Herbert Mead:

“The individual enters as such into his own experience only as an object, not as a subject; and he can enter as an object only on the basis of social relations and interactions, only by means of his experiential transactions with other individuals in an organized social environment…..only by taking the attitudes of others towards himself - is he able to become an object to himself”

]]> By: Michael http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/comment-page-1/#comment-28191 Michael Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:00:49 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/12/17/how-you-see-you/#comment-28191 I have been to that symbol state before, but when I realized what it was I was like "HOLY SHIT!" and snapped right out of it. I've put myself back, but untill now I haddn't the foggiest idea of what to do with it.... Suicide is one of those things that if you think about it too much your like "hey, that could be kinda neat" and then either you realize it really wouldn't and it'll happen in it's own time, or you off yourself. I think that's what happend to Kurt Cobain, after wresling with the conspiricy theory of his death. I've read he thought that after death was just some general happy state or something, so he wanted to find out, and blew his head off. Luckily, i know my suicide would fuck up too many lives, it'd be too selfish... and the whole "in it's own time thing" like in the Fountain, you know "don't fear death" but at the same time, let death come to you, not the other way around. Well, I'm gonnah try that expiriment with the symbol-state, and i'll post my thoughts here when i've more or less figured it out... which may take awhile I have been to that symbol state before, but when I realized what it was I was like “HOLY SHIT!” and snapped right out of it. I’ve put myself back, but untill now I haddn’t the foggiest idea of what to do with it….

Suicide is one of those things that if you think about it too much your like “hey, that could be kinda neat” and then either you realize it really wouldn’t and it’ll happen in it’s own time, or you off yourself. I think that’s what happend to Kurt Cobain, after wresling with the conspiricy theory of his death. I’ve read he thought that after death was just some general happy state or something, so he wanted to find out, and blew his head off. Luckily, i know my suicide would fuck up too many lives, it’d be too selfish… and the whole “in it’s own time thing” like in the Fountain, you know “don’t fear death” but at the same time, let death come to you, not the other way around.

Well, I’m gonnah try that expiriment with the symbol-state, and i’ll post my thoughts here when i’ve more or less figured it out… which may take awhile

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