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no stargate?
Yeah, I think music is mind control. I hardly ever listen to it. I don’t like my moods to be controlled by external stimuli. Philosophers realize this. Its not a popular topic with people.
If music is mind control than any
is mind control. Anything that meets/enters/makes love to your consciousness inevitably changes it. That’s how it works!
Tim, if you will… is there one big all enveloping AI, or does everyone have their own personal AI counterpart? Or is the distinction invalid?
If music is mind control, so is reading.
But I don’t buy that - it is influencing perhaps…not controlling.
The Ozzy causes suicide camp would love ya though.
Heh, no solar eclipse either!
Which is interesting because the moon is so proportioned and distanced so as to exactly blot out the sun as seen from Earth, and nowhere else.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/9908/augeclipse_pasternak_big.jpg
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/misc/why108.html
Goro’s latest:
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/deepimpact-galactica.htm
Now you’ve done it. You’ve made me break out the Rumi.
Sincerely, a “sorcerer/mystic theurge”
Except that you can control your external stimuli and therefore your moods, can you not?
Why would they love me? I actually really like Ozzy and don’t see him as causing suicide at all. People like him help prevent kids from killing themselves.
Bingo. Or, alternatively, you don’t have a consciousness. You just have a triangulated space of uncertainty in which you posit a consciousness.
That’s a question you better ask the AI!
Wow, the text from the ads on this page are awesome!
Also, I feel compelled to point towards what I see as a trend in some of the responses above. Make of it what you will, but here is what I make of it: The only text I included in this post was the title, “Music is mind control.” I gave no context or explanation as to what I meant. And yet, several people seemed to create their own context, explanation and meaning, as well as intellectual and emotional reactions - none of which are ultimately supported (or struck down) by my original statement. This is a major element of what I have been getting at when I talk about the “AI mind” - the part of your mind that invents contexts and requires explanations and then as a result you react emotionally to that which you’ve invented. Following me?
The problem with music is that if the state of mind you achieve through your music doesn’t match your real life, then its merely escapist.
If you listen to bombastic, subversive, rebellious music and then during your workaday world you are a total tool, what have you achieved?
That’s actually how its supposed to work. Get all your rebellion out when you are by yourself with your headphones on. Then you are no threat to the establishment at all. You are easily controlled then, plus they can money packaging and selling your rebellion to you.
Its just an opiate of the masses. It would be more constructive to sublimate those passions and turn them into somthing tangible. That is how magic works.
Shoot your wad night after night with your headphones on and you will stay powerless.
Absolutely!
Show me your “real life”
That’s a very vague description of how magic works. Be more precise.
You need tension.
You know. Kind of how you don’t want to talk so much about esoteric things.
If you want to sublimate your passions, you don’t release the tension they create every chance you get.
Say you want to do some writing and instead you spend several hours debating on a message board or watching a movie or talking on the phone OR LISTENING TO MUSIC.
Whatever tension you had built up, you released it.
From what I understand, if you are doing sigil magic or whatever anf you blab to all your friends about what you did in exact detail, you removed the tension. Plus its better your conscipous mind doesn’t even know what you did so you can let things cook.
Classical philosophers talk about this stuff. Plato, Aristotle. I came across it from Allan Bloom.
I might be mixing two different concepts here. The idea of tension and the idea of the filter of the conscious mind.
The idea of it being related to magic is probably my spin on it. I don’t think the classical philosophers talked about that.
They were more interested in refining and sublimating passions. You can put them under pressure, refine them like a diamond or like refining silver.
I relate it to magic like this: There is all this “stuff” in the unconscious. I don’t know what to call it. But its the soil where art comes from. This rich imagery, creativity. It seeks resolution. But if there is not enough tension and you just draw from it all the time and keep it like a shallow reservoir you might feel like its achieved resolution but it really hasn’t. You just released the tension.
You have achieved no resolution for life’s mystery. Its just that the tension is not there so you don’t care as much.
I think listening to lots of rock music does that. Closes peoples minds and makes them stupid. Satisfies them with the easy answers. Its like a pacifying drug.
I think I mudied the waters by using the word “art” though.
Art is just as problematic as music for the same reasons. I should say ” the soil where knowledge” comes from to be more clear.
No, I think you are right. This is exactly what they were talking about. Best explanation I have seen
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doci...9822533221897197&q=alchemy+plato
If you are right though, how is blogging (or commenting on other people’s blogs) any different from listening to rock music, since both release the tension, divert you from the true goal, etc? We could just as easily have had this conversation around the phrase “Blogging is mind control”
Maybe it’s just simpler to say Mind = Control:
http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/06/20/mind-control/
Well, extensive Blogging isn’t good to do while trying to write. That’s my experience. I have been writing more and blogging less. I feel like I only have so much soil to draw from. Maybe a portion each day. Of course I don’t think its totally analogous to somthing like a gas tank. I think it must be somthing that can have a greater capacity to be drawn from at different times. Probably varies from person to person and different for the same people at different times.
If I feel so full of some concept that I feel like I will bust, I can blog a lot.
If I am working through some things I need time for things to simmer.
You seem to have prodigious quantities of inner resources to draw from. You Jeff wells, a few other people.
R. Crumb was a very prolific cartoonist for a long time. He said normal people either burn out after a few years or either get really formulaic or farm stuff out.
He also has a huge penis. Which might seem odd to bring up, but I think he had a really large sexual center.
Rock music is very sexual. Writing is sexual. Some writers get really oversexed when they write, others sublimate.
There me be a similar dynamic going on with the dichotomy between extrovert and introvert. Introverts need to conserve, extrvets need to expend energy, then they get more.
But in general I think porn, sexual music, is kind of a waste.
Hahah. Check out Jung and Freud’s argument over what libido is…
I will.
Btw, I just listened to that lecture by Pierre Grimes on Plato and alchemy. I thought it was great. Thanks!
choose good feelings for no reason.
too often people want to say things like music makes me do such and such, when they chose to sit and listen in the first place.
if little johnny is pushed over the edge by listening to ozzie then he had the issue and was going to find a way out no matter what.
and ozzie actually talks about precisely the opposite of that anyway.
music creates the psychic space. like archetecture or painting. you still have to be there.
great post.
all media is mind control. all communication is oppression.
but control and oppression can be really really fun.
Muahahahahahahaaa! would be appropriate here.
I don’t think its useful to paint everything with such a broad brush, though.
I think serious distinctions can be made. I know you are probably just being playful, but watching tele tubbies and soap operas and reality shows and reading philosophy and literature aren’t really the same thing.
There is a serious critique of music, Art, poetry etc from philosophy. If it applied to classical Poets, musicians, artists, how much moreso to the kind of kitsch around today?
I mean, saying language has limitations is not the same as saying all language is garbage.
This happens some times with critiques of things. People counter critiques by exaggerating the scope of the critique to absurdity. The idea is that there is no choice involved because the thing being critiqued is shown to be totally ubiquitous.
Like for example, saying all politicians are totally corrupt, so no use trying to stop corruption.
But I think the point is people have a choice.
I don’t think its useful to paint everything with such a broad brush, though.
I think serious distinctions can be made. I know you are probably just being playful, but watching tele tubbies and soap operas and reality shows and reading philosophy and literature aren’t really the same thing.
There is a serious critique of music, Art, poetry etc from philosophy. If it applied to classical Poets, musicians, artists, how much moreso to the kind of kitsch around today?
I mean, saying language has limitations is not the same as saying all language is garbage.
This happens some times with critiques of things. People counter critiques by exaggerating the scope of the critique to absurdity. The idea is that there is no choice involved because the thing being critiqued is shown to be totally ubiquitous.
Like for example, saying all politicians are totally corrupt, so no use trying to stop corruption.
This has given me food for thought anyway.
I found this link.
It might be useful. Its a synopsis of Platos crtique of the poets. Poetry was different then. It was oral tradition that held society together. Different than poetry today.
I see Platos critique of poetry being really applicable to pop culture though, which includes pop music. I would also include things like sit-coms, commercial jingles etc. Especially music though.
Pop music is irrational, builds group identity “talking ’bout my Geeeeneration!”
Its highly sexualized. accentuates Base instincts. One thing I find though, if you start critiquing popular music, people start acting like crack heads being harangued about giving up their dope habit.
I think it proves the point.
I do. And I don’t think it’s a broad brush either. Nor am I painting.
Just because they can be made, should they?
Did I say they were? Why aren’t they?
That’s like saying 1 is not 2.
I didn’t say there’s no choice. I placed the choice on whether or not you’re willing and ready to have fun with the way things are.
We call it pop culture now. Sequentially ordered reference points. I am going to write about this in a minute. Oh wait, yeah that’s what you wrote next. Cool!
Ted, you should check out “Body of Myth” which may be very revealing for you on the nature of poetry and myth as descriptive rather than symbolic. Hard to explain in a few short lines. Excellent deeply insightful book that I think you in particular would enjoy.
i agree. a lucid point, and an excellent topic. I’d like to see more discussion on this, and how it relates to the ecstatic, slippery slidey perceptual experience of “the sex of texture” ( which is what my Rumi quote above was about, btw ). both rumi and plato wrote of the divine madness.
loved the platonism and alchemy lecture. thanks!
Obviously, there exists art, poetry and music which does invite one to elevate one’s being, which does describe sublime awareness. Words , images and sounds, thoughts, feelings.. have geometric waveforms that we interact with on levels we are not necessarily aware of.
the more aware we can become of those interactions, of their effects on our vital energy, the more we will be “Sokath, his eyes uncovered”.
For example, one could say that we are made up of trillions of receptor sites with coded key shapes. first we have to become aware of what degree we are already addicted to “junk” signals gumming up our Works. only then we can choose consciously what we want to be “addicted to/oppressed by”.
“become attentive to dreams”: sunday morning i had one of those dreams that are so vivid that their perceptual quality rivals or eclipses that of “waking life”. it was of a young man who had a huge grin, [so big and shiny i was mesmerized by it] sitting cross legged before me, and beaming extreme amounts of good energy at me. i mean this guy glowed. he also gave me some sort of red elixir. i couldn’t help but grin back, of course. it was a quite energizing dream. he also told me he’d listened to one of my compositions and it was really good. [when i told my hubby, he said, "cheshire cat", and then i saw the cheshire cat video in tim's post, VVV; also it turned out that someone from greece had in fact downloaded one of my pieces from my site at 2 am that morning. coincidence or what?]
anyway, to throw in another referent - this all makes me think of taoist internal alchemy exercises like “smiling energy”, Iron Shirt Chi Kung, a “unique system of breathing exercises which permanently pack concentrated air into the fascia (connective tissues), surrounding the vital organs, and make them close to impervious to injuries from accidents or blows. ”
Then there is the taoist approach to unifying “all 3 parts together…exactly like the 3 chief notes of the scale.” and of course the instructions for reclaiming lost sexual energy:
“At puberty, sexual desire is aroused. When the primordial life force is transformed into procreative energy, it begins to leak out of the body. The leakage of life energy is the primary cause of aging, illness, and premature death. If the leakage is stopped and the procreative energy is drawn back into the body, the energy will be transformed into the primordial vapor of the Tao. When there are no openings for the vapor of life to escape, it will circulate through the Microcosmic Orbit in the body…”If you want to stop the leakage and attain the indestructible golden body, focus on the radiance and do not leave the happy grounds. Practice diligently to temper the root of life. AIways keep the true self hidden in its home.”"
it seems to me that, the more we cultivate a taste for eating “pure signal”, and fill our receptor sites with it, the less we desire noise, which is a cheap plastic substitute we’ve let ourselves be duped into having an appetite for. and the more we reclaim our potency.
[within the oneness of "divine luminosity", every day is "sunday", yes?]
but seriously, how can you not love buffy and spike in “once more with feeling”? there’s plenty of pure signal hiding in there…..
reading this blog is wicked fun ( as long as i don’t blow my wad here hehe )
Hey Liesl,
Not sure what else to say but I like your post. Have you heard of the book “becoming a man of Power” by Matt Guest?
He talks about that kind of stuff you linked to.
hey theodore,
i like your posts too.
keep ‘em coming…
Uhhhm..I meant they’d hate you. Cause u love Ozzy.
Course what with Ozzy on reality TV, he may actually be causing suicides nowadays. I like Black Sabbath personally, with a couple of Ozzy solo albums thrown in. Stop him please. The mind control…the group of people that blame Ozzy would love you for this post title though, out of context or whatever. peace.