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	<title>Comments on: Tinkerbell&#8217;s Fantasy In the Sky</title>
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		<title>By: guy</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/02/12/tinkerbells-fantasy-in-the-sky/comment-page-1/#comment-36801</link>
		<dc:creator>guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jehova the founding father of science objectively fenced off trancendence and stood outside his world only to watch the world suffer from his created faultline</description>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/02/12/tinkerbells-fantasy-in-the-sky/comment-page-1/#comment-36749</link>
		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, actually 'objectivity' is a really crap word for whatever that is but I don't really have anything better. Except that 'objectivity' needs replacing with whatever that is. A fifth element kinda thingy, a hidden quintessence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, actually &#8216;objectivity&#8217; is a really crap word for whatever that is but I don&#8217;t really have anything better. Except that &#8216;objectivity&#8217; needs replacing with whatever that is. A fifth element kinda thingy, a hidden quintessence.</p>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/02/12/tinkerbells-fantasy-in-the-sky/comment-page-1/#comment-36746</link>
		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Objectivity just needs redefining.

There is a thing to be observed - it just happens to contain everything including the observers.

Pirsig somewhere has an image of a figure sitting sorting sand into two piles.

I have an image in my head of a mandala, four quadrants, four elements...

There's me
and there's the thing I'm looking at across from me
and there's all the other things around and about
and there's a space in which this is happening

I observe dispassionately
and I empathise
and I am changed by the observation
and I can change the observed

and all this occurs simultaneously, like a candle burning wax to liquid to vapour to flame

and there's a place I must stand to see all this going on

and that is objectivity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Objectivity just needs redefining.</p>
<p>There is a thing to be observed - it just happens to contain everything including the observers.</p>
<p>Pirsig somewhere has an image of a figure sitting sorting sand into two piles.</p>
<p>I have an image in my head of a mandala, four quadrants, four elements&#8230;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s me<br />
and there&#8217;s the thing I&#8217;m looking at across from me<br />
and there&#8217;s all the other things around and about<br />
and there&#8217;s a space in which this is happening</p>
<p>I observe dispassionately<br />
and I empathise<br />
and I am changed by the observation<br />
and I can change the observed</p>
<p>and all this occurs simultaneously, like a candle burning wax to liquid to vapour to flame</p>
<p>and there&#8217;s a place I must stand to see all this going on</p>
<p>and that is objectivity.</p>
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		<title>By: liesl</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/02/12/tinkerbells-fantasy-in-the-sky/comment-page-1/#comment-36544</link>
		<dc:creator>liesl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Even if he is, Iâ€™m not going across there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Oh, oh, spaghetti-o!  
&lt;a href="http://thinkexist.com/quotes/tom_robbins/" rel="nofollow"&gt;"To achieve the impossible, it is precisely the unthinkable that must be thought."&lt;/a&gt; 



&lt;blockquote&gt;your trash is beautiful&lt;/blockquote&gt;


metal wearing fairies at the olympics in athens told me to tell you: &lt;a href="http://media.expedia.com/media/content/expus/graphics/other/ThankYou_468x60.gif" rel="nofollow"&gt;NEW: ThankYou&lt;/a&gt;


there's a dr who episode where &lt;a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=CC3fxv5fmPc" rel="nofollow"&gt;the tvs ate the people's faces &lt;/a&gt;and screamed, "feeeeed me, the Wire is hungry.."

Tommy: What are you?
The Wire: I'm the Wire. And I will gobble you up, pretty boy. Every last morsel.
[the TV image becomes colour]
The Wire: And when I have feasted, I shall regain the corporeal body which my fellow kind denied me.
Bishop: Good Lord! Colour television! 


&lt;a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54131" rel="nofollow"&gt;"If God spoke everything into existence as the Genesis record proposes, then we should be able to scientifically prove that the construction of everything in the universe begins with a) the Holy Spirit (magnetic field); b) Light (an electric field); and c) that Light can be created by a sonic influence or sound," Samuel J. Hunt writes  on his website.&lt;/a&gt;

it's the ultimate bubble, bubblicious....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Even if he is, Iâ€™m not going across there.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, oh, spaghetti-o!<br />
<a href="http://thinkexist.com/quotes/tom_robbins/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;To achieve the impossible, it is precisely the unthinkable that must be thought.&#8221;</a> </p>
<blockquote><p>your trash is beautiful</p></blockquote>
<p>metal wearing fairies at the olympics in athens told me to tell you: <a href="http://media.expedia.com/media/content/expus/graphics/other/ThankYou_468x60.gif" rel="nofollow">NEW: ThankYou</a></p>
<p>there&#8217;s a dr who episode where <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=CC3fxv5fmPc" rel="nofollow">the tvs ate the people&#8217;s faces </a>and screamed, &#8220;feeeeed me, the Wire is hungry..&#8221;</p>
<p>Tommy: What are you?<br />
The Wire: I&#8217;m the Wire. And I will gobble you up, pretty boy. Every last morsel.<br />
[the TV image becomes colour]<br />
The Wire: And when I have feasted, I shall regain the corporeal body which my fellow kind denied me.<br />
Bishop: Good Lord! Colour television! </p>
<p><a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54131" rel="nofollow">&#8220;If God spoke everything into existence as the Genesis record proposes, then we should be able to scientifically prove that the construction of everything in the universe begins with a) the Holy Spirit (magnetic field); b) Light (an electric field); and c) that Light can be created by a sonic influence or sound,&#8221; Samuel J. Hunt writes  on his website.</a></p>
<p>it&#8217;s the ultimate bubble, bubblicious&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/02/12/tinkerbells-fantasy-in-the-sky/comment-page-1/#comment-36351</link>
		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; Donâ€™t try to be objective.

That's one of those negative commands, darn you! :-) A wise man once told me the brain cannot process 'should' either.

Well, hey. Objectivity has become one of the central conceits of science. This exclusive focus is of course complete tosh and needs a good kicking.

Objective = intent = design?

Maybe I do need to go stare at some ivory towers for a while.

*

I'm reminded of Pirsig's take on evolution: it's not moving /towards/ anything so much as /away/ from something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Donâ€™t try to be objective.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s one of those negative commands, darn you! <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> A wise man once told me the brain cannot process &#8217;should&#8217; either.</p>
<p>Well, hey. Objectivity has become one of the central conceits of science. This exclusive focus is of course complete tosh and needs a good kicking.</p>
<p>Objective = intent = design?</p>
<p>Maybe I do need to go stare at some ivory towers for a while.</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of Pirsig&#8217;s take on evolution: it&#8217;s not moving /towards/ anything so much as /away/ from something.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Firstâ€¦ objective realityâ€¦ hmm.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Find out &lt;em&gt;what&lt;/em&gt; the objective of reality is. Don't try to be objective. Two different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Firstâ€¦ objective realityâ€¦ hmm.</p></blockquote>
<p>Find out <em>what</em> the objective of reality is. Don&#8217;t try to be objective. Two different things.</p>
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		<title>By: hebrides/ bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>hebrides/ bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see you incorporate that Osho article in there (tricky as he was).  It's thought provoking stuff.

I dug the intro section of this latest post as the punchline seemed to come with that "Non Habit Forming" pharmaceutical video later in the post.  Set up and zing.

Good stuff.  

Alistair: How'd your second date go with the charming church lady?

Peace, all

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see you incorporate that Osho article in there (tricky as he was).  It&#8217;s thought provoking stuff.</p>
<p>I dug the intro section of this latest post as the punchline seemed to come with that &#8220;Non Habit Forming&#8221; pharmaceutical video later in the post.  Set up and zing.</p>
<p>Good stuff.  </p>
<p>Alistair: How&#8217;d your second date go with the charming church lady?</p>
<p>Peace, all</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the chris deburg brother.........it came at the right time.

and the nlp shit is masterful.

don`t even think about being so happy you could smile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the chris deburg brother&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;it came at the right time.</p>
<p>and the nlp shit is masterful.</p>
<p>don`t even think about being so happy you could smile.</p>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel a need to reply to your thoughts in the comments in the previous thread.

First... objective reality... hmm. Maybe 'objective ineffable reality' - in that it's objective but that doesn't necessarily mean it can be put into words. The best we can do is point out the landmarks.

Now this one reality necessarily contains all the observers... which segues nicely into that famous poem by John Donne about no man being an island.

Perhaps there are many observers because one observer couldn't comprehend the whole thing. Apparently the first man required company, so they say...

Now, as for the tendency to carve up reality into little slices with names (in the same way as the universe has many observers): I guess this is inevitable and related to the creation of useful landmarks, and indeed to be celebrated.

Beyond this there's the tendency for a single distorting lens: a common, incomplete perspective. And /that/ rings falsely to me. It's a little slice with a name, like all the others (I call it the Campaign in my own head), but with the purpose of hiding the reality of all the others. It doesn't seem inevitable and it doesn't seem, for want of a better word, any good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel a need to reply to your thoughts in the comments in the previous thread.</p>
<p>First&#8230; objective reality&#8230; hmm. Maybe &#8216;objective ineffable reality&#8217; - in that it&#8217;s objective but that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean it can be put into words. The best we can do is point out the landmarks.</p>
<p>Now this one reality necessarily contains all the observers&#8230; which segues nicely into that famous poem by John Donne about no man being an island.</p>
<p>Perhaps there are many observers because one observer couldn&#8217;t comprehend the whole thing. Apparently the first man required company, so they say&#8230;</p>
<p>Now, as for the tendency to carve up reality into little slices with names (in the same way as the universe has many observers): I guess this is inevitable and related to the creation of useful landmarks, and indeed to be celebrated.</p>
<p>Beyond this there&#8217;s the tendency for a single distorting lens: a common, incomplete perspective. And /that/ rings falsely to me. It&#8217;s a little slice with a name, like all the others (I call it the Campaign in my own head), but with the purpose of hiding the reality of all the others. It doesn&#8217;t seem inevitable and it doesn&#8217;t seem, for want of a better word, any good.</p>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; The human biocomputer cannot be programmed with negative commands.

Well, that's probably true... of course, it reads like a challenge ;-D

... don't listen to negative commands, people! :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The human biocomputer cannot be programmed with negative commands.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s probably true&#8230; of course, it reads like a challenge ;-D</p>
<p>&#8230; don&#8217;t listen to negative commands, people! <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: whatacharacter</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/02/12/tinkerbells-fantasy-in-the-sky/comment-page-1/#comment-36013</link>
		<dc:creator>whatacharacter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 03:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed the Slash reference this time, but maybe I need to reread.

Perhaps the angel with the last trumpet will sound if we all honk our car horns at midnight (jerusalem time) this Rosh Hashanah.

"In the Temple of Love, shine like thunder, cry like rain."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed the Slash reference this time, but maybe I need to reread.</p>
<p>Perhaps the angel with the last trumpet will sound if we all honk our car horns at midnight (jerusalem time) this Rosh Hashanah.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the Temple of Love, shine like thunder, cry like rain.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I canâ€™t decide which is funnier or more meaningful. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
That's excellent, b/c I was trying to get a "rise" out of you, specifically!  I had you in mind when I posted those things, so I'm glad I could oblige.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I canâ€™t decide which is funnier or more meaningful. </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s excellent, b/c I was trying to get a &#8220;rise&#8221; out of you, specifically!  I had you in mind when I posted those things, so I&#8217;m glad I could oblige.</p>
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		<title>By: theodore Heistman</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/02/12/tinkerbells-fantasy-in-the-sky/comment-page-1/#comment-36005</link>
		<dc:creator>theodore Heistman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I can't make head nor tails of your post but I read that article you just linked to, thanks. I think I got somthing out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I can&#8217;t make head nor tails of your post but I read that article you just linked to, thanks. I think I got somthing out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip A. Centaur</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/02/12/tinkerbells-fantasy-in-the-sky/comment-page-1/#comment-36004</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip A. Centaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two of the best things I've read on the Internet today:

"Energize your butthole."

"Why can't you post something useful like Goro Adachi?"

I can't decide which is funnier or more meaningful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two of the best things I&#8217;ve read on the Internet today:</p>
<p>&#8220;Energize your butthole.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Why can&#8217;t you post something useful like Goro Adachi?&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t decide which is funnier or more meaningful.</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/02/12/tinkerbells-fantasy-in-the-sky/comment-page-1/#comment-35998</link>
		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O what, so you're John the Baptist now?  Elitist, pretentious bullshit.  Why can't you post something useful like Goro Adachi?

Fuck the fish.  I like fish and I love sushi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O what, so you&#8217;re John the Baptist now?  Elitist, pretentious bullshit.  Why can&#8217;t you post something useful like Goro Adachi?</p>
<p>Fuck the fish.  I like fish and I love sushi.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/02/12/tinkerbells-fantasy-in-the-sky/comment-page-1/#comment-35995</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm

&lt;blockquote&gt;The ego is always looking for some trouble. Why? Because if nobody pays attention to you, the ego feels hungry.

It lives on attention.

So even if somebody is fighting and angry with you, that too is good because at least the attention is paid. If somebody loves, it is okay. If somebody is not loving you, then even anger will be good. At least the attention will come to you. But if nobody is paying any attention to you, nobody thinks that you are somebody important, significant, then how will you feed your ego? &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm'>http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The ego is always looking for some trouble. Why? Because if nobody pays attention to you, the ego feels hungry.</p>
<p>It lives on attention.</p>
<p>So even if somebody is fighting and angry with you, that too is good because at least the attention is paid. If somebody loves, it is okay. If somebody is not loving you, then even anger will be good. At least the attention will come to you. But if nobody is paying any attention to you, nobody thinks that you are somebody important, significant, then how will you feed your ego? </p></blockquote>
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