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		<title>By: Carnival Culture 02: MC FolkSinger - [tmbchr]â„¢</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival Culture 02: MC FolkSinger - [tmbchr]â„¢</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Through the course of his many travels, the wandering {see also: ramblin&#8217;} Fool becomes wise in the ways of the world. Living amongst many tribes of men, he learns their language and customs in order to survive, and eventually becomes their friend. Through shared moments of ease and jest, he learns their songs, jokes, local traditions - what&#8217;s important to them. He empathizes with and understands his fellows, and trades tales of his own homeland and songs of his youth. In the sharing of this most simple of human fellowship, people bond and are &#8220;bound&#8221; together: they become headed for the same place, pointing all at the same target somewhere betwixt the heart and mind. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Through the course of his many travels, the wandering {see also: ramblin&#8217;} Fool becomes wise in the ways of the world. Living amongst many tribes of men, he learns their language and customs in order to survive, and eventually becomes their friend. Through shared moments of ease and jest, he learns their songs, jokes, local traditions - what&#8217;s important to them. He empathizes with and understands his fellows, and trades tales of his own homeland and songs of his youth. In the sharing of this most simple of human fellowship, people bond and are &#8220;bound&#8221; together: they become headed for the same place, pointing all at the same target somewhere betwixt the heart and mind. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooo, how could i forget?

"In the staircase of life, Art is the only step that doesn't creak."



&lt;blockquote&gt;If you need to visualize the soul, think of it as a cross between a wolf howl, a photon, and a dribble of dark molasses. But what it really is, as near as I can tell, is a packet of information. It's a program, a piece of hyperspatial software designed explicitly to interface with the Mystery. Not a mystery, mind you, the Mystery. The one that can never be solved. Data in our psychic program is often nonlinear, nonhierarchical, archaic, alive, and teeming with paradox. Simply booting up is a challenge, if not for no other reason than that most of us find acknowledging the unknowable and monitoring its intrusions upon the familiar and mundane more than a little embarrassing. More immediately, by waxing soulful you will have granted yourself the possibility of ecstatic participation in what the ancients considered a divinely animated universe. And on a day to day basis, folks, it doesn't get any better than that." &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooo, how could i forget?</p>
<p>&#8220;In the staircase of life, Art is the only step that doesn&#8217;t creak.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>If you need to visualize the soul, think of it as a cross between a wolf howl, a photon, and a dribble of dark molasses. But what it really is, as near as I can tell, is a packet of information. It&#8217;s a program, a piece of hyperspatial software designed explicitly to interface with the Mystery. Not a mystery, mind you, the Mystery. The one that can never be solved. Data in our psychic program is often nonlinear, nonhierarchical, archaic, alive, and teeming with paradox. Simply booting up is a challenge, if not for no other reason than that most of us find acknowledging the unknowable and monitoring its intrusions upon the familiar and mundane more than a little embarrassing. More immediately, by waxing soulful you will have granted yourself the possibility of ecstatic participation in what the ancients considered a divinely animated universe. And on a day to day basis, folks, it doesn&#8217;t get any better than that.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art you say?  Here are some thoughts from my own private (you can have him, too) non-guru:



&lt;blockquote&gt;"It is the function of the artist to call attention to what life does not."&lt;/blockquote&gt;





&lt;blockquote&gt;"The mission of the artist in an over-technologized society is to call the old magic back to life."&lt;/blockquote&gt;





&lt;blockquote&gt;"A mockingbird... was heard to blend the songs of 32 different kinds of birds into a 10 minute performance, a virtuoso display that served no practical purpose, falling, therefore, into the realm of pure art."&lt;/blockquote&gt;





&lt;blockquote&gt;"If you take any activity, any art, any discipline, any skill, take it and push it as far as it will go, push it beyond where it has ever been before, push it to the wildest edge of edges, then you force it into the realm of magic."&lt;/blockquote&gt;



And this one is just for Tim:



&lt;blockquote&gt;"Teachers who offer you the ultimate answers do not possess the ultimate answers, for if they did, they would know that the ultimate answers cannot be given, they can only be received. "&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art you say?  Here are some thoughts from my own private (you can have him, too) non-guru:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It is the function of the artist to call attention to what life does not.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The mission of the artist in an over-technologized society is to call the old magic back to life.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;A mockingbird&#8230; was heard to blend the songs of 32 different kinds of birds into a 10 minute performance, a virtuoso display that served no practical purpose, falling, therefore, into the realm of pure art.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If you take any activity, any art, any discipline, any skill, take it and push it as far as it will go, push it beyond where it has ever been before, push it to the wildest edge of edges, then you force it into the realm of magic.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And this one is just for Tim:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Teachers who offer you the ultimate answers do not possess the ultimate answers, for if they did, they would know that the ultimate answers cannot be given, they can only be received. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice. I will read this a few times, I think. Your definition of Art fits with something I've been pondering for a while that I had not been thinking about as Art. The people watching the movie do not necessarily have to communicate with each other to share the experience. This seems very different to the modern 'internet' definition of 'sharing'.

One thing about the story of the Gospels: I think they represent a bigger Story above and beyond, one which has been and is played out in different ways throughout history. Think of all the prophecy before the Gospels were written: there's pre-echoes of the Story to be found there. Which means there's post-echoes of the Story to be found everywhere right now. It'll wax and wane, but presumably never go away.

p - awesome.

Ted - Demiurge-tastic, mate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice. I will read this a few times, I think. Your definition of Art fits with something I&#8217;ve been pondering for a while that I had not been thinking about as Art. The people watching the movie do not necessarily have to communicate with each other to share the experience. This seems very different to the modern &#8216;internet&#8217; definition of &#8217;sharing&#8217;.</p>
<p>One thing about the story of the Gospels: I think they represent a bigger Story above and beyond, one which has been and is played out in different ways throughout history. Think of all the prophecy before the Gospels were written: there&#8217;s pre-echoes of the Story to be found there. Which means there&#8217;s post-echoes of the Story to be found everywhere right now. It&#8217;ll wax and wane, but presumably never go away.</p>
<p>p - awesome.</p>
<p>Ted - Demiurge-tastic, mate!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But I do not yet see how acting out the Jesus myth is any different from our daily interactions with other egos. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You probably don't see it because you havent actually tried it on as a costume

&lt;blockquote&gt;For me, the thing that allows you to enter that bizarro world of grace and purity, is ruthless honesty and self-awareness (i.e. ego transcendence, clear vision), which gives birth to Love.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or have you? That is the Christ story in a nutshell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But I do not yet see how acting out the Jesus myth is any different from our daily interactions with other egos. </p></blockquote>
<p>You probably don&#8217;t see it because you havent actually tried it on as a costume</p>
<blockquote><p>For me, the thing that allows you to enter that bizarro world of grace and purity, is ruthless honesty and self-awareness (i.e. ego transcendence, clear vision), which gives birth to Love.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or have you? That is the Christ story in a nutshell.</p>
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		<title>By: cadeveo</title>
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		<dc:creator>cadeveo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 04:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said, tim.  that's it.  though it doesn't matter if it's the jesus story.  what matters is the devotion--going whole hog, plus the postage.

as for art...there's an art that elevates and cleanses, reawakens the higher self and unifies the individual and the community through an ineffable and pure connection.  then, there's an art that debases and brings those experiencing it low, to dwell in their worst natures.  but at a certain level of understanding (not intellectual "understanding," but "whole being understanding"), there's no difference between the two and that art that would debase others still results in divine elevation on account of the nature of the one experiencing it.

glad you mentioned johnny appleseed...his commitment to the Swedenbourgian vision of Christianity is one of those gems of history you never hear about in public school for various reasons.

Ted--devote yourself to your Isht-deva: whole hog, plus the postage!  Nietzsche's a good provisional one; perhaps not recommended for the long haul, though.  Conan the Conqueror might be better.  Or the Old Man of the Mountain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said, tim.  that&#8217;s it.  though it doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s the jesus story.  what matters is the devotion&#8211;going whole hog, plus the postage.</p>
<p>as for art&#8230;there&#8217;s an art that elevates and cleanses, reawakens the higher self and unifies the individual and the community through an ineffable and pure connection.  then, there&#8217;s an art that debases and brings those experiencing it low, to dwell in their worst natures.  but at a certain level of understanding (not intellectual &#8220;understanding,&#8221; but &#8220;whole being understanding&#8221;), there&#8217;s no difference between the two and that art that would debase others still results in divine elevation on account of the nature of the one experiencing it.</p>
<p>glad you mentioned johnny appleseed&#8230;his commitment to the Swedenbourgian vision of Christianity is one of those gems of history you never hear about in public school for various reasons.</p>
<p>Ted&#8211;devote yourself to your Isht-deva: whole hog, plus the postage!  Nietzsche&#8217;s a good provisional one; perhaps not recommended for the long haul, though.  Conan the Conqueror might be better.  Or the Old Man of the Mountain.</p>
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		<title>By: fuj</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, p. Although I didn't mean "cum" in a seminal sense. Wait, yes I did. Wow. It goes both ways! 

Timbo, I think I have my answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, p. Although I didn&#8217;t mean &#8220;cum&#8221; in a seminal sense. Wait, yes I did. Wow. It goes both ways! </p>
<p>Timbo, I think I have my answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Heistman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Heistman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"A humanitaria God cannot be demonstrated from the world that is knwn to us: so much are ye driven and forced to conclude to-day. But what consideration do ye draw from this? "He cannot be demonstrated to &lt;em&gt;us&lt;/em&gt;": the scepticism of knowledge. You all &lt;em&gt;fear&lt;/em&gt; the conclusion: "From the world that is known to us quite a different God would be &lt;em&gt;demonstrable&lt;/em&gt;,such a one as would certianly not be humanitarian"-and, in a word, you cling fast to your God, and invent a world for Him which is &lt;em&gt;unknown to us&lt;/em&gt;

Nietzsche "The Will to Power"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A humanitaria God cannot be demonstrated from the world that is knwn to us: so much are ye driven and forced to conclude to-day. But what consideration do ye draw from this? &#8220;He cannot be demonstrated to <em>us</em>&#8220;: the scepticism of knowledge. You all <em>fear</em> the conclusion: &#8220;From the world that is known to us quite a different God would be <em>demonstrable</em>,such a one as would certianly not be humanitarian&#8221;-and, in a word, you cling fast to your God, and invent a world for Him which is <em>unknown to us</em></p>
<p>Nietzsche &#8220;The Will to Power&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: p</title>
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		<dc:creator>p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;His kingdom, â€œHeaven,â€ exists noographically at &lt;b&gt;right angles&lt;/b&gt; to our dimension. It is everywhere and nowhere. It is spread out before you, but men do not see it. Why is that?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

"Male", "Solar", "Vertical", "Esoteric", "&#124;"
"Female", "Lunar", "Horizontal", "Exoteric", "-"

Cross +, the sign for addition(and askew, multiplication)

The eye inside us looks vertically, "esoterically" down, as into a well. Only at the indeterminate (and thus both "active" and "still") point of intersection do we find the spring of the fountain that fills the well.

"The one thing needful" so often referred to in Christian mysticism could also be called the one thing crucial, meaning "cross", derived from Latin crucis or French crux.

"I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Gal. 2:20

"Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory" Col 1 26-27

Can we allow ourselves to be crucified on the metaphysical cross, which is no metaphor or poetic language, but the very real intersection of Heaven and Earth? 

In the crucifixtion ("fixed to the cross") story, when the sky went black, the lance pierces Christ's side and blood and water come out, rose of Sharon and lily of the valley (Sol. 2:1), red and white elixirs, sun and moon, male and female.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Donâ€™t you think the X story is always being acted out, by everyone everywhere, on all levels? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes!

&lt;blockquote&gt;I see Jesus essentially as the perfect mirror cum scapegoat, untouchable yet taking the violent brunt of all surrounding ignorance.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jesus is the body for the Christ XPISTOS, which at all times bears the immense suffering of the world, the indestructible vajra.

"I say our crude Sperm flows from a Trinity of Substances in one Essence, of which two are extracted out of the earth of their Nativity by the third, and then become a milky Virgin-like Nature, drawn fro the Menstruum of our sordid Whore." - Eirenaeus Philalethes

He calls the subject "our Whore" because in its passivity and compliance, it allows us to treat it however we wish, never resisting. The subject is only "whorish" in relation to external things, in reality, it is "virginal" and untouchable by physical things, indestructible, immortal, and triumphal. 

"The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone" Ps. 118:22</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>His kingdom, â€œHeaven,â€ exists noographically at <b>right angles</b> to our dimension. It is everywhere and nowhere. It is spread out before you, but men do not see it. Why is that?</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Male&#8221;, &#8220;Solar&#8221;, &#8220;Vertical&#8221;, &#8220;Esoteric&#8221;, &#8220;|&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Female&#8221;, &#8220;Lunar&#8221;, &#8220;Horizontal&#8221;, &#8220;Exoteric&#8221;, &#8220;-&#8221;</p>
<p>Cross +, the sign for addition(and askew, multiplication)</p>
<p>The eye inside us looks vertically, &#8220;esoterically&#8221; down, as into a well. Only at the indeterminate (and thus both &#8220;active&#8221; and &#8220;still&#8221;) point of intersection do we find the spring of the fountain that fills the well.</p>
<p>&#8220;The one thing needful&#8221; so often referred to in Christian mysticism could also be called the one thing crucial, meaning &#8220;cross&#8221;, derived from Latin crucis or French crux.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.&#8221; Gal. 2:20</p>
<p>&#8220;Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory&#8221; Col 1 26-27</p>
<p>Can we allow ourselves to be crucified on the metaphysical cross, which is no metaphor or poetic language, but the very real intersection of Heaven and Earth? </p>
<p>In the crucifixtion (&#8221;fixed to the cross&#8221;) story, when the sky went black, the lance pierces Christ&#8217;s side and blood and water come out, rose of Sharon and lily of the valley (Sol. 2:1), red and white elixirs, sun and moon, male and female.</p>
<blockquote><p>Donâ€™t you think the X story is always being acted out, by everyone everywhere, on all levels? </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes!</p>
<blockquote><p>I see Jesus essentially as the perfect mirror cum scapegoat, untouchable yet taking the violent brunt of all surrounding ignorance.</p></blockquote>
<p>Jesus is the body for the Christ XPISTOS, which at all times bears the immense suffering of the world, the indestructible vajra.</p>
<p>&#8220;I say our crude Sperm flows from a Trinity of Substances in one Essence, of which two are extracted out of the earth of their Nativity by the third, and then become a milky Virgin-like Nature, drawn fro the Menstruum of our sordid Whore.&#8221; - Eirenaeus Philalethes</p>
<p>He calls the subject &#8220;our Whore&#8221; because in its passivity and compliance, it allows us to treat it however we wish, never resisting. The subject is only &#8220;whorish&#8221; in relation to external things, in reality, it is &#8220;virginal&#8221; and untouchable by physical things, indestructible, immortal, and triumphal. </p>
<p>&#8220;The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone&#8221; Ps. 118:22</p>
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		<title>By: fuj</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is everywhere and nowhere. It is spread out before you, but men do not see it. Why is that? Itâ€™s because the only way to enter into the Truth of Heavenâ„¢ is through the story of Christ.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I'm not sure how much of this I should take literally. Are you implying that we cannot activate Jesus-mode without acting out his story? 

Don't you think the X story is &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; being acted out, by everyone everywhere, on all levels? I see Jesus essentially as the perfect mirror cum scapegoat, untouchable yet taking the violent brunt of all surrounding ignorance. And that is a universal human (egoic) theme, since we are all mirrors.

I agree with you about the cathartic value of art and the bonding experiences of shared ritual. But I do not yet see how acting out the Jesus myth is any different from our daily interactions with other egos. For me, the thing that allows you to enter that bizarro world of grace and purity, is ruthless honesty and self-awareness (i.e. ego transcendence, clear vision), which gives birth to Love.

I hope you can correct me if I misunderstandimate your position. I really enjoy your "treatment" of Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is everywhere and nowhere. It is spread out before you, but men do not see it. Why is that? Itâ€™s because the only way to enter into the Truth of Heavenâ„¢ is through the story of Christ.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how much of this I should take literally. Are you implying that we cannot activate Jesus-mode without acting out his story? </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think the X story is <em>always</em> being acted out, by everyone everywhere, on all levels? I see Jesus essentially as the perfect mirror cum scapegoat, untouchable yet taking the violent brunt of all surrounding ignorance. And that is a universal human (egoic) theme, since we are all mirrors.</p>
<p>I agree with you about the cathartic value of art and the bonding experiences of shared ritual. But I do not yet see how acting out the Jesus myth is any different from our daily interactions with other egos. For me, the thing that allows you to enter that bizarro world of grace and purity, is ruthless honesty and self-awareness (i.e. ego transcendence, clear vision), which gives birth to Love.</p>
<p>I hope you can correct me if I misunderstandimate your position. I really enjoy your &#8220;treatment&#8221; of Jesus.</p>
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