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		<title>By: The Mystery of Chessboxing - Pop Occulture</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/01/we-draw-powers-from-venus/comment-page-1/#comment-84701</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mystery of Chessboxing - Pop Occulture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This past month was about mastering &#8220;mathematics&#8221; as the RZA might say. I learned all about the roots of habit-formation and how to finally reform myself as a person so that my intentions and actions might be aligned. Now that I have achieved that last harmony, clarity and tranquility, I feel as though there is nothing that isn&#8217;t within my power. In that, of course, lies the recognition though that none of this is actually &#8220;mine&#8221; at all. Everything that has happened to me has been gifts laid at my feet which I have had to struggle against myself to be worthy of. And close to my heart I have kept the constant lesson: gifts given to you are meant to be given to others. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This past month was about mastering &#8220;mathematics&#8221; as the RZA might say. I learned all about the roots of habit-formation and how to finally reform myself as a person so that my intentions and actions might be aligned. Now that I have achieved that last harmony, clarity and tranquility, I feel as though there is nothing that isn&#8217;t within my power. In that, of course, lies the recognition though that none of this is actually &#8220;mine&#8221; at all. Everything that has happened to me has been gifts laid at my feet which I have had to struggle against myself to be worthy of. And close to my heart I have kept the constant lesson: gifts given to you are meant to be given to others. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sun Moon And Earth &#187; Venus Crossing The Sun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sun Moon And Earth &#187; Venus Crossing The Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have been wondering lately also: is the moon really a liar or is it my fault for not being prepared for her wiles: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Electronic Ether Walk Down the Block (Further Shout-Outs) &#171; Waking the Midnight Sun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Electronic Ether Walk Down the Block (Further Shout-Outs) &#171; Waking the Midnight Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/01/we-draw-powers-from-venus/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/01/we-draw-powers-from-venus/'>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/01/we-draw-powers-from-venus/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: astepoutside</title>
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		<dc:creator>astepoutside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 04:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point JWX.

The suffering in the process comes from realizing the fact that something is and has stopped you from doing the things that you want and having the experiences you want... and you have no idea why...

We have too many programs in the head space competing for attention, none of which has any real consideration for what "you" the small part inside that is still "you", really wants</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point JWX.</p>
<p>The suffering in the process comes from realizing the fact that something is and has stopped you from doing the things that you want and having the experiences you want&#8230; and you have no idea why&#8230;</p>
<p>We have too many programs in the head space competing for attention, none of which has any real consideration for what &#8220;you&#8221; the small part inside that is still &#8220;you&#8221;, really wants</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks jwx. Every time I click on a Fourth Way link it relates to something going on in my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks jwx. Every time I click on a Fourth Way link it relates to something going on in my life.</p>
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		<title>By: jwx</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed the crux of the matter is knowing yourself, and then from there you can learn how to  correct what is not you and then begin to truly assist others. You have said it before, Tim, we are programmed in life to learn how to master anything but ourselves, playing an instrument, becoming a teacher or a doctor, learning to play a sport.  Anything but mastering our own instrument, our self.  If you don't master yourself you will be played by others.

Before we can have any hope at all of mastering ourselves we have to undergo a couple of initial steps.  The first is the realisation that we are asleep; essentially mechanical beings as produced by society.

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1236/states1.html (second state of conciousness)

Next we have to see that we are not one individual, but are made up of many competing elements that totally drown out our authentic self and create much conflict in our lives;

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1236/manyis1.html

In my opinion the greatest tool giver of recent times was G. Gurdjieff.


&lt;blockquote&gt;You just have to ask yourself, how much of what you think â€œthe right thing to doâ€ is actually the right thing for others. And how much is actually the right thing for yourself?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is termed external consideration by Gurdjieffians-

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1236/considerouter3.html

In my opinion, Gurdjieff's work was heading towards ossification even within his own lifetime, and he realised this, as signalled by the title of his book "Beezlebub's Tales To His Grandson". 

Well, I think we are his grandkids and great grandkids.  The traditional Gurdjieff groups have petrified into the curse of the dead word, and have lost sight of the "terror of the situation", that we are prisoners of our sleepwalk, and also, in my opinion, the hinted at idea that there are forces that actively work to keep us this way, and perhaps trying to ultimately subsume humanity into a borg situation (I think he left this open for later, when the evidence became clear, folks in his time were just not ready for this).

In my mind Tim is continuing the Gurdjieffian tradition in the way he intended.  Focusing on, and expanding methods of self-remembering using today's paradigm of information and fluid group interaction and communication created by the internet and actively experimenting with reality in your life.  Also, encouraging others to modify and create their own works, which is absolutely essential to the individuation process.

I am not a Gurdjieffian in that I don't belong to a group, and I consider his work as just part of a core of tools to work with.  I think the Gurdjieff teachings may prove valuable for others here, it is kind of a technical language for the science of individuation that helps build common reference points between us and others and also for our own mechanism's use.

Tim's exercise in left-hand writing is a perfect example of creatively consciously pressuring the mechanical self so that it may expand into a formerly empty space ( and also synchronise, as Tim also points out.  It is a form of conscious suffering, because, particularly initially, it makes your brain uncomfortable, triggering unpleasant emotions.  All of this kind of process is valuable to observe within ourselves.

Here is another source for tool ideas-

http://www.kesdjan.com/4th.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed the crux of the matter is knowing yourself, and then from there you can learn how to  correct what is not you and then begin to truly assist others. You have said it before, Tim, we are programmed in life to learn how to master anything but ourselves, playing an instrument, becoming a teacher or a doctor, learning to play a sport.  Anything but mastering our own instrument, our self.  If you don&#8217;t master yourself you will be played by others.</p>
<p>Before we can have any hope at all of mastering ourselves we have to undergo a couple of initial steps.  The first is the realisation that we are asleep; essentially mechanical beings as produced by society.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1236/states1.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1236/states1.html'>http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1236/states1.html</a> (second state of conciousness)</p>
<p>Next we have to see that we are not one individual, but are made up of many competing elements that totally drown out our authentic self and create much conflict in our lives;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1236/manyis1.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1236/manyis1.html'>http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1236/manyis1.html</a></p>
<p>In my opinion the greatest tool giver of recent times was G. Gurdjieff.</p>
<blockquote><p>You just have to ask yourself, how much of what you think â€œthe right thing to doâ€ is actually the right thing for others. And how much is actually the right thing for yourself?</p></blockquote>
<p>This is termed external consideration by Gurdjieffians-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1236/considerouter3.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1236/considerouter3.html'>http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1236/considerouter3.html</a></p>
<p>In my opinion, Gurdjieff&#8217;s work was heading towards ossification even within his own lifetime, and he realised this, as signalled by the title of his book &#8220;Beezlebub&#8217;s Tales To His Grandson&#8221;. </p>
<p>Well, I think we are his grandkids and great grandkids.  The traditional Gurdjieff groups have petrified into the curse of the dead word, and have lost sight of the &#8220;terror of the situation&#8221;, that we are prisoners of our sleepwalk, and also, in my opinion, the hinted at idea that there are forces that actively work to keep us this way, and perhaps trying to ultimately subsume humanity into a borg situation (I think he left this open for later, when the evidence became clear, folks in his time were just not ready for this).</p>
<p>In my mind Tim is continuing the Gurdjieffian tradition in the way he intended.  Focusing on, and expanding methods of self-remembering using today&#8217;s paradigm of information and fluid group interaction and communication created by the internet and actively experimenting with reality in your life.  Also, encouraging others to modify and create their own works, which is absolutely essential to the individuation process.</p>
<p>I am not a Gurdjieffian in that I don&#8217;t belong to a group, and I consider his work as just part of a core of tools to work with.  I think the Gurdjieff teachings may prove valuable for others here, it is kind of a technical language for the science of individuation that helps build common reference points between us and others and also for our own mechanism&#8217;s use.</p>
<p>Tim&#8217;s exercise in left-hand writing is a perfect example of creatively consciously pressuring the mechanical self so that it may expand into a formerly empty space ( and also synchronise, as Tim also points out.  It is a form of conscious suffering, because, particularly initially, it makes your brain uncomfortable, triggering unpleasant emotions.  All of this kind of process is valuable to observe within ourselves.</p>
<p>Here is another source for tool ideas-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kesdjan.com/4th.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.kesdjan.com/4th.html'>http://www.kesdjan.com/4th.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_action

&lt;blockquote&gt;Research has shown that repeated action, learning, and memory can actually change the nervous system physically, altering both synaptic strength and connections. Such changes may be brought about by cultivated change in emotion and action; they will, in turn, change subsequent experience.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>Research has shown that repeated action, learning, and memory can actually change the nervous system physically, altering both synaptic strength and connections. Such changes may be brought about by cultivated change in emotion and action; they will, in turn, change subsequent experience.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_action

&lt;blockquote&gt;In all of the elements of the Noble Eightfold Path, the word "right" is a translation of the word samyaÃ±c (Sanskrit) or sammÄ (PÄli), which denotes completion, togetherness, and coherence, and which can also carry the sense of "perfect" or "ideal".&lt;/blockquote&gt;

WHAT WORKS BEST: BEST POSSIBLE</description>
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<blockquote><p>In all of the elements of the Noble Eightfold Path, the word &#8220;right&#8221; is a translation of the word samyaÃ±c (Sanskrit) or sammÄ (PÄli), which denotes completion, togetherness, and coherence, and which can also carry the sense of &#8220;perfect&#8221; or &#8220;ideal&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>WHAT WORKS BEST: BEST POSSIBLE</p>
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