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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83947</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;out of thier unconscious and recognised them as part of the function of the human experience.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, this is how all these things work. You have full access to the entire workings of the universe within your own body. It's a matter of developing awareness of it. Fortunately all our bodies are basically the same and we can utilize the same basic techniques to develop body awareness and the resulting frames of mind its unfolding creates</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>out of thier unconscious and recognised them as part of the function of the human experience.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, this is how all these things work. You have full access to the entire workings of the universe within your own body. It&#8217;s a matter of developing awareness of it. Fortunately all our bodies are basically the same and we can utilize the same basic techniques to develop body awareness and the resulting frames of mind its unfolding creates</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83942</link>
		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they are all part of the same thing. someone pulled the alexander method and nlp and breathing exercises out of thier unconscious and recognised them as part of the function of the human experience.

genius is in recognising these things as valid for humanity and putting it out there.

you don`t have to stop so much as look within more often and know what`s valid inside yourself as much as a practice or discipline will help you.

none of them will help unless you have discovered part of that within you also.

the only nlp that exists for you is the one that you recognise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they are all part of the same thing. someone pulled the alexander method and nlp and breathing exercises out of thier unconscious and recognised them as part of the function of the human experience.</p>
<p>genius is in recognising these things as valid for humanity and putting it out there.</p>
<p>you don`t have to stop so much as look within more often and know what`s valid inside yourself as much as a practice or discipline will help you.</p>
<p>none of them will help unless you have discovered part of that within you also.</p>
<p>the only nlp that exists for you is the one that you recognise.</p>
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		<title>By: jwx</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83901</link>
		<dc:creator>jwx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Donâ€™t look for *another* great tool. Look for THE great tool. There is only one Tao.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;




&lt;blockquote&gt;and tim is right.

the tao is the function&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Okay, I am stopping breathing exercises, left hand writing and self remembering of any type, and will not look into the Alexander Method, Iron Shirt, NLP as long as you guys promise to show me how to do the Tao in 3 easy steps, teee heee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Donâ€™t look for *another* great tool. Look for THE great tool. There is only one Tao.
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<blockquote><p>and tim is right.</p>
<p>the tao is the function</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay, I am stopping breathing exercises, left hand writing and self remembering of any type, and will not look into the Alexander Method, Iron Shirt, NLP as long as you guys promise to show me how to do the Tao in 3 easy steps, teee heee.</p>
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		<title>By: jwx</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83900</link>
		<dc:creator>jwx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just happened back here because I was looking for a quote and found all this great new commentary posted.  Points to the weakness of this format in that Tim's posts come fast and furiously and comments posted somewhat out of date (2-3 days later, Haa ha) are potentially missed.

Anyways, keeps us on our toes, thanks for the responses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just happened back here because I was looking for a quote and found all this great new commentary posted.  Points to the weakness of this format in that Tim&#8217;s posts come fast and furiously and comments posted somewhat out of date (2-3 days later, Haa ha) are potentially missed.</p>
<p>Anyways, keeps us on our toes, thanks for the responses.</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83892</link>
		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>everyone is good at something. some are remarkable, and some are exceptional.

the comment from the hagakure was written in the 18th century, if my recollection serves, and predates the developement of nlp and it`s evolving modalities by some 300 years.

the suggestion that there are no good models anymore could be like saying barry bonds makes a poor model because, even though his swing is near-perfect and has managed to break hank arron`s home run record, he is personally an arrogant dick who even the commisioner of baseball avoids socially.

the fact remains that how bonds makes the bat connect with the ball can be modelled and replicated.

nlp, as i learned and practice it, enables me to illict the structures of language, physiology and so on the bonds utilises to hit homeruns.

these structures can then be learned and practiced by others.

and the steroids, of course.

whether being a dick is important might also be a factor.

having said all of this, i must say that people have been doing this sort of analysis long before nlp came along. i find it just makes the job more effective and replicable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everyone is good at something. some are remarkable, and some are exceptional.</p>
<p>the comment from the hagakure was written in the 18th century, if my recollection serves, and predates the developement of nlp and it`s evolving modalities by some 300 years.</p>
<p>the suggestion that there are no good models anymore could be like saying barry bonds makes a poor model because, even though his swing is near-perfect and has managed to break hank arron`s home run record, he is personally an arrogant dick who even the commisioner of baseball avoids socially.</p>
<p>the fact remains that how bonds makes the bat connect with the ball can be modelled and replicated.</p>
<p>nlp, as i learned and practice it, enables me to illict the structures of language, physiology and so on the bonds utilises to hit homeruns.</p>
<p>these structures can then be learned and practiced by others.</p>
<p>and the steroids, of course.</p>
<p>whether being a dick is important might also be a factor.</p>
<p>having said all of this, i must say that people have been doing this sort of analysis long before nlp came along. i find it just makes the job more effective and replicable.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83886</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alistair, I found this excerpt in Hagakure which I think described NLP modeling. He is talking about how there are no good models for retainers anymore:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In light of this, it would be good to &lt;em&gt;make&lt;/em&gt; a model and to learn from that. To do this, one should look at many people and choose from each person his best point only.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Will look into this Alexander thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alistair, I found this excerpt in Hagakure which I think described NLP modeling. He is talking about how there are no good models for retainers anymore:</p>
<blockquote><p>In light of this, it would be good to <em>make</em> a model and to learn from that. To do this, one should look at many people and choose from each person his best point only.</p></blockquote>
<p>Will look into this Alexander thing.</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83869</link>
		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and tim, regarding standing up straight, you might want to look at the alexander technique.

http://www.alexandertechnique.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r80_LE9sN0&#38;mode=related&#38;search=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and tim, regarding standing up straight, you might want to look at the alexander technique.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alexandertechnique.com/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.alexandertechnique.com/'>http://www.alexandertechnique.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r80_LE9sN0&amp;mode=related&amp;search=" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r80_LE9sN0&amp;mode=related&amp;search='>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r80_LE9sN0&amp;mode=related&amp;search=</a></p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83868</link>
		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jwx, nlp is the study of excellence in human behaviour. the analytic methods in nlp allow the practitioner to find out how the expert does what he does, and then breaks the function of the expertise down so that the non-expert can model the expert behaviour.

this is as true for a golf swing as for grounding exercises like the iron shirt that i described above.

most of the chi exercises are teachable to kids as young as three or four and to bureacrats and factory workers.

we are already experiencing chi energy. we just haven`t recognised it. when it is pointed out and we are given the permission to move it around in simple ways like visualising water flowing in our bodies, then we can become monks with 30 years of training in a short time.

and tim is right.

the tao is the function.

we come at it as individual parts of one single thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jwx, nlp is the study of excellence in human behaviour. the analytic methods in nlp allow the practitioner to find out how the expert does what he does, and then breaks the function of the expertise down so that the non-expert can model the expert behaviour.</p>
<p>this is as true for a golf swing as for grounding exercises like the iron shirt that i described above.</p>
<p>most of the chi exercises are teachable to kids as young as three or four and to bureacrats and factory workers.</p>
<p>we are already experiencing chi energy. we just haven`t recognised it. when it is pointed out and we are given the permission to move it around in simple ways like visualising water flowing in our bodies, then we can become monks with 30 years of training in a short time.</p>
<p>and tim is right.</p>
<p>the tao is the function.</p>
<p>we come at it as individual parts of one single thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83835</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't look for *another* great tool. Look for THE great tool. There is only one Tao.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t look for *another* great tool. Look for THE great tool. There is only one Tao.</p>
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		<title>By: jwx</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83833</link>
		<dc:creator>jwx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No kidding!  Your stuff is fantastic, but I am always looking for another great tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No kidding!  Your stuff is fantastic, but I am always looking for another great tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83826</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's what I'm trying to offer here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m trying to offer here!</p>
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		<title>By: jwx</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83825</link>
		<dc:creator>jwx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;i believe it is possible for anyone to attain this form of discipline quickly,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

lessons, tips, real world examples?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>i believe it is possible for anyone to attain this form of discipline quickly,</p></blockquote>
<p>lessons, tips, real world examples?</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the act of modelling the acceptable behaviour in a social setting, such as sipping, or pretending to sip, allows one the social currency necessary for admittance into the group.
many times i have felt that tingle of anxiety when initally on view in a social environment.
it takes a fair discipline in proprioceptic control to ride the wave without being overcome with the fear and leaving or otherwise withdrawing.
i generally use mix of breathing and iron shirt chi to center myself for a moment or two.
i have been doing this for thiry years or so and it takes but a second usually, but even for the beginner the practive should be effective after a minute or two.
once you learn that you can change your state internally you can then choose to feel good for no reason.......any time you need to.
i believe it is possible for anyone to attain this form of discipline quickly, without becoming a monk or spending years meditating.
we are doing the shifting in state anyway, why not do it for good feelings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the act of modelling the acceptable behaviour in a social setting, such as sipping, or pretending to sip, allows one the social currency necessary for admittance into the group.<br />
many times i have felt that tingle of anxiety when initally on view in a social environment.<br />
it takes a fair discipline in proprioceptic control to ride the wave without being overcome with the fear and leaving or otherwise withdrawing.<br />
i generally use mix of breathing and iron shirt chi to center myself for a moment or two.<br />
i have been doing this for thiry years or so and it takes but a second usually, but even for the beginner the practive should be effective after a minute or two.<br />
once you learn that you can change your state internally you can then choose to feel good for no reason&#8230;&#8230;.any time you need to.<br />
i believe it is possible for anyone to attain this form of discipline quickly, without becoming a monk or spending years meditating.<br />
we are doing the shifting in state anyway, why not do it for good feelings?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Heistman</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83819</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Heistman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you are doing, according to Robert Anton Wilson, in &lt;em&gt;Prometheus Rising&lt;/em&gt; is accessing the "meta-reprogramming curcuit" of consciousness by making your nervous system self aware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you are doing, according to Robert Anton Wilson, in <em>Prometheus Rising</em> is accessing the &#8220;meta-reprogramming curcuit&#8221; of consciousness by making your nervous system self aware.</p>
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		<title>By: djk</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/08/07/myself-as-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-83809</link>
		<dc:creator>djk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some very accurate observations</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some very accurate observations</p>
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