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		<title>By: offthemark</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/09/26/we-dont-have-to-wait/comment-page-1/#comment-85463</link>
		<dc:creator>offthemark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Truth/reality/God were considered to be one and the same not so long ago, even in imperial England.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's that time again, I'm feeling!

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is idolatry, to venerate an earthly authorityâ€™s â€œfactsâ€™ in preference to your own god-given reason.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Awesome! I am leaning more and more in this direction all the time: Truth = Reason = Love = God = Beauty. None of them can be separated or violated for the sake of the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Truth/reality/God were considered to be one and the same not so long ago, even in imperial England.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s that time again, I&#8217;m feeling!</p>
<blockquote><p>This is idolatry, to venerate an earthly authorityâ€™s â€œfactsâ€™ in preference to your own god-given reason.</p></blockquote>
<p>Awesome! I am leaning more and more in this direction all the time: Truth = Reason = Love = God = Beauty. None of them can be separated or violated for the sake of the others.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/09/26/we-dont-have-to-wait/comment-page-1/#comment-85454</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like the point you're making Svenson, about how you can't be "spiritual" nowadays without associating yourself with a bunch of unprovable and often useless bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the point you&#8217;re making Svenson, about how you can&#8217;t be &#8220;spiritual&#8221; nowadays without associating yourself with a bunch of unprovable and often useless bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: p</title>
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		<dc:creator>p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah, these are good points. Its tough for me with the spiritual stuff, because I feel like there is this false dichotomy: You can either walk around with a sour look on your face condemning everything but science and call yourself an â€œatheistâ€, or you can live fully, embrace the wonders of life, and swallow a load of bullshit and call yourself â€œspiritual/religiousâ€. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

All the founders of modern science prior to the industrial age were deeply religious, and many are even now revered as 'adepts' by various esoteric groups. This science vs. religion thing is a very recent dichotomy. No one told Aristotle he was pissing off the gods. That's not to ignore folks like Galileo or Bruno, martyrs for science, but they were pursuing their internal imperative towards TRUTH.

Truth/reality/God were considered to be one and the same not so long ago, even in imperial England. 

There's a quote I can't quite recall, "most atheists are truer Christians than Christians", meaning that they are unwilling to violate their innate sense of Reason, while lots of modern xtians are perfectly happy to throw out their Reason so they can continue to pretend they "believe in" a 6000-year-old earth and no dinosaurs. 

This is idolatry, to venerate an earthly authority's "facts' in preference to your own god-given reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah, these are good points. Its tough for me with the spiritual stuff, because I feel like there is this false dichotomy: You can either walk around with a sour look on your face condemning everything but science and call yourself an â€œatheistâ€, or you can live fully, embrace the wonders of life, and swallow a load of bullshit and call yourself â€œspiritual/religiousâ€. </p></blockquote>
<p>All the founders of modern science prior to the industrial age were deeply religious, and many are even now revered as &#8216;adepts&#8217; by various esoteric groups. This science vs. religion thing is a very recent dichotomy. No one told Aristotle he was pissing off the gods. That&#8217;s not to ignore folks like Galileo or Bruno, martyrs for science, but they were pursuing their internal imperative towards TRUTH.</p>
<p>Truth/reality/God were considered to be one and the same not so long ago, even in imperial England. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a quote I can&#8217;t quite recall, &#8220;most atheists are truer Christians than Christians&#8221;, meaning that they are unwilling to violate their innate sense of Reason, while lots of modern xtians are perfectly happy to throw out their Reason so they can continue to pretend they &#8220;believe in&#8221; a 6000-year-old earth and no dinosaurs. </p>
<p>This is idolatry, to venerate an earthly authority&#8217;s &#8220;facts&#8217; in preference to your own god-given reason.</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Few 2012-fluffers mention that this once-mighty people fed their calendar directly with human souls; if weâ€™re really going to do honor to whatever shift these people lived and died for, how come noone is lining up for the sacrificial altar?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
EXACTLY!

Better yet, why aren't any of these Mayan Calendar entheogen buffs taking their hallucinogens the way the Mayans did, i.e. up the back door with a blowgun?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Few 2012-fluffers mention that this once-mighty people fed their calendar directly with human souls; if weâ€™re really going to do honor to whatever shift these people lived and died for, how come noone is lining up for the sacrificial altar?</p></blockquote>
<p>EXACTLY!</p>
<p>Better yet, why aren&#8217;t any of these Mayan Calendar entheogen buffs taking their hallucinogens the way the Mayans did, i.e. up the back door with a blowgun?</p>
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		<title>By: Svenson.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Svenson.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, these are good points. Its tough for me with the spiritual stuff, because I feel like there is this false dichotomy: You can either walk around with a sour look on your face condemning everything but science and call yourself an "atheist", or you can live fully, embrace the wonders of life, and swallow a load of bullshit and call yourself "spiritual/religious". But I like what you said, "I see that it is good and it is enough" because that's kind of what it comes down to. But if I say I'm not spiritual, its like I'm denying that all the love, the wonder, the magic can actually BE at all, let alone be here now. But if I say I'm spiritual it has to be wrapped in all this bullshit and conjecture about what's NOT here.

And yes, with 2012, ALL end times prophecy's are a part of the church of paranoia, meaning they're all about inevitable things which are "out of our hands" and therefore free us of having to take responsibility. Of course, big changes are coming but big changes have always been coming, its the story of history. Its also the story of history that they move pretty slowly and life goes on in the mean time, and ALL of the great changes have been driven by people who MAKE them happen. So why wait? Sure, lets aim for a big release in 2012, but lets MAKE it happen!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, these are good points. Its tough for me with the spiritual stuff, because I feel like there is this false dichotomy: You can either walk around with a sour look on your face condemning everything but science and call yourself an &#8220;atheist&#8221;, or you can live fully, embrace the wonders of life, and swallow a load of bullshit and call yourself &#8220;spiritual/religious&#8221;. But I like what you said, &#8220;I see that it is good and it is enough&#8221; because that&#8217;s kind of what it comes down to. But if I say I&#8217;m not spiritual, its like I&#8217;m denying that all the love, the wonder, the magic can actually BE at all, let alone be here now. But if I say I&#8217;m spiritual it has to be wrapped in all this bullshit and conjecture about what&#8217;s NOT here.</p>
<p>And yes, with 2012, ALL end times prophecy&#8217;s are a part of the church of paranoia, meaning they&#8217;re all about inevitable things which are &#8220;out of our hands&#8221; and therefore free us of having to take responsibility. Of course, big changes are coming but big changes have always been coming, its the story of history. Its also the story of history that they move pretty slowly and life goes on in the mean time, and ALL of the great changes have been driven by people who MAKE them happen. So why wait? Sure, lets aim for a big release in 2012, but lets MAKE it happen!!!</p>
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