Comments on: Do You Have Terrorist Data Patterns? http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:14:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-85853 Tim Boucher Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:37:42 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/#comment-85853 This also ignores one of the deeper roots of crime. And it is not biology, but the fact that people are placed wittingly or no into impossible situations such that crime seems more logical and easier. Crime is a choice, like everything else. Saying that you have patterns and behaviors which are crime-like and therefore make you more probable to commit crimes eliminates Free Will as a causal factor. This also ignores one of the deeper roots of crime. And it is not biology, but the fact that people are placed wittingly or no into impossible situations such that crime seems more logical and easier. Crime is a choice, like everything else. Saying that you have patterns and behaviors which are crime-like and therefore make you more probable to commit crimes eliminates Free Will as a causal factor.

]]> By: alistair http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-85852 alistair Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:36:28 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/#comment-85852 in a world where all the "good" people are medicated, an anxious person would be the criminal. in a world where all the “good” people are medicated, an anxious person would be the criminal.

]]> By: speedbird http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-85848 speedbird Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:11:12 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/#comment-85848 > a bomb can’t act Except in that movie Dark Star. Must work out who I've lent that to... :-D > a bomb can’t act

Except in that movie Dark Star. Must work out who I’ve lent that to… :-D

]]> By: Julia http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-85821 Julia Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:59:49 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/#comment-85821 Computers predicted that Hurricane Katrina would just miss New Orleans. Computers predicted that Hurricane Katrina would just miss New Orleans.

]]> By: Svenson. http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-85819 Svenson. Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:22:27 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/#comment-85819 And you know what the third thing is? (sorry to rant here) I don't want my security resting on the assinine idea that a computer can be trained to recognize human intent by behavior. Humans have a hard enough time figuring out their OWN intent, let alone other people, let a lone a computer. What is the difference between a human terrorist and a bomb? A bomb can't star in a play as somebody else because a bomb <em>can't act</em>. They should spend the time to develop the right technology for the taks, which is technology to recognize bombs and guns instead of sniffing everybody's asses. And you know what the third thing is? (sorry to rant here) I don’t want my security resting on the assinine idea that a computer can be trained to recognize human intent by behavior. Humans have a hard enough time figuring out their OWN intent, let alone other people, let a lone a computer. What is the difference between a human terrorist and a bomb? A bomb can’t star in a play as somebody else because a bomb can’t act. They should spend the time to develop the right technology for the taks, which is technology to recognize bombs and guns instead of sniffing everybody’s asses.

]]> By: Svenson. http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-85817 Svenson. Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:11:34 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/#comment-85817 And you know what the other thing about all this is? I don't want to trust my security in ANY way to AI probability games. Secure the fucking plane, and leave it at that. Don't secure the plane with fuzzy probablities in part so the TSA people can slack off, secure the plane by making 100% sure that no bombs get on the plane. Its that simple. And you know what the other thing about all this is? I don’t want to trust my security in ANY way to AI probability games. Secure the fucking plane, and leave it at that. Don’t secure the plane with fuzzy probablities in part so the TSA people can slack off, secure the plane by making 100% sure that no bombs get on the plane. Its that simple.

]]> By: Svenson. http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-85816 Svenson. Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:08:09 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/07/do-you-have-terrorist-data-patterns/#comment-85816 This has actually been around for awhile now. Both this system, and its ideological forefather: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropological_criminology In the past, trying to figure out who a criminal will be by the bumps on a person's head wasn't very effective, and this probably won't be either. The only physiological indicators of criminality probably conform to syndromes which create mental disability, so they probably only deduced that if a person has Down's syndrome, they are more likely to commit certain petty crimes. The problems with this system will be the same in spirit: It will only reveal incidental information that is mildly correlated, not root causes. And it will be annoying. Having the police go around measuring everybody's head because they are grasping at straws about the causes of criminality was probably annoying, and having the police monitor the facial expressions of every living soul (and tagging arbitrary people who have anxiety or whatever) will be annoying as well. Most people don't want to live in that kind of a setting, terrorists or no. This has actually been around for awhile now. Both this system, and its ideological forefather:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropological_criminology
In the past, trying to figure out who a criminal will be by the bumps on a person’s head wasn’t very effective, and this probably won’t be either. The only physiological indicators of criminality probably conform to syndromes which create mental disability, so they probably only deduced that if a person has Down’s syndrome, they are more likely to commit certain petty crimes. The problems with this system will be the same in spirit: It will only reveal incidental information that is mildly correlated, not root causes.
And it will be annoying. Having the police go around measuring everybody’s head because they are grasping at straws about the causes of criminality was probably annoying, and having the police monitor the facial expressions of every living soul (and tagging arbitrary people who have anxiety or whatever) will be annoying as well. Most people don’t want to live in that kind of a setting, terrorists or no.

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