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	<title>Comments on: Gift Cards As Complementary Currency</title>
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		<title>By: Creditz: &#8220;The World&#8217;s First Digital Currency&#8221; [bullshit] - To[p oBcultu]re</title>
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		<dc:creator>Creditz: &#8220;The World&#8217;s First Digital Currency&#8221; [bullshit] - To[p oBcultu]re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Contrary to what they claim on their website, Creditz (talk about an abyssmally stupid brand name!) is simply *not* the world&#8217;s first digital currency. Not even close. The only thing which is KIND of cool about this system is that it will allow you to transfer value between entirely different systems of currency. I wrote about these issues here and here with relation to gift cards as complementary currency. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Contrary to what they claim on their website, Creditz (talk about an abyssmally stupid brand name!) is simply *not* the world&#8217;s first digital currency. Not even close. The only thing which is KIND of cool about this system is that it will allow you to transfer value between entirely different systems of currency. I wrote about these issues here and here with relation to gift cards as complementary currency. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/gift-cards-as-complementary-currency/comment-page-1/#comment-86253</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irving Fisher, a leading US economist of the early 20th century, told President Roosevelt in 1933 that the local 'scrip' currency, legally issued by department stores and local governments right across the US, could "get the US out of the Depression in 3 weeks".  Roosevelt, concerned to stamp his authority with centralised solutions, went for the New Deal instead and outlawed all of the local systems at that time.  A little know history - see Bernard Lietaer's visionary book 'The Future of Money' for the full story.  And a great What If? of history.

Back to the present, we have had two decades of experiments worldwide with community currencies (CCs) on every continent in many different social and economic settings.  They work.  They keep wealth flowing locally, they help people make new friends, rebuild community spirit and stay sane. Many have failed due to poor design.

I am currently writing a community currency design manual which suggests that there are five areas that currency designers need to pay attention to in designing sustainable CCs:  Operating Environment, Governance, Management, Functions &#38; Services provided and Participants.  When we design for all of these then we will have more successes than failures and begin to see more CCs really flying.

For more resources and to stay in touch with my work go to:  www.valueforpeople.co.uk

Best wishes

John Rogers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irving Fisher, a leading US economist of the early 20th century, told President Roosevelt in 1933 that the local &#8217;scrip&#8217; currency, legally issued by department stores and local governments right across the US, could &#8220;get the US out of the Depression in 3 weeks&#8221;.  Roosevelt, concerned to stamp his authority with centralised solutions, went for the New Deal instead and outlawed all of the local systems at that time.  A little know history - see Bernard Lietaer&#8217;s visionary book &#8216;The Future of Money&#8217; for the full story.  And a great What If? of history.</p>
<p>Back to the present, we have had two decades of experiments worldwide with community currencies (CCs) on every continent in many different social and economic settings.  They work.  They keep wealth flowing locally, they help people make new friends, rebuild community spirit and stay sane. Many have failed due to poor design.</p>
<p>I am currently writing a community currency design manual which suggests that there are five areas that currency designers need to pay attention to in designing sustainable CCs:  Operating Environment, Governance, Management, Functions &amp; Services provided and Participants.  When we design for all of these then we will have more successes than failures and begin to see more CCs really flying.</p>
<p>For more resources and to stay in touch with my work go to:  <a href="http://www.valueforpeople.co.uk" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.valueforpeople.co.uk'>http://www.valueforpeople.co.uk</a></p>
<p>Best wishes</p>
<p>John Rogers</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/gift-cards-as-complementary-currency/comment-page-1/#comment-86120</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, they have those boxes in the US, but I've never heard anybody call it that!

Dan, let me know how I can help - one of the things I'm good at is finding other people who can help too by finding people who are excited about certain ideas and values...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, they have those boxes in the US, but I&#8217;ve never heard anybody call it that!</p>
<p>Dan, let me know how I can help - one of the things I&#8217;m good at is finding other people who can help too by finding people who are excited about certain ideas and values&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Letâ€™s figure it out. What do we need to make it happen?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'll check out what's possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Letâ€™s figure it out. What do we need to make it happen?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll check out what&#8217;s possible.</p>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/gift-cards-as-complementary-currency/comment-page-1/#comment-86098</link>
		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chip and pin: in the UK, when you present your bank card and instead of handing it over the counter you put it in a little machine which then asks you for your private ATM code. I find this transaction weird: both parties bow down before this little black box and rarely look at each other. I assumed the US had invented it ;-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chip and pin: in the UK, when you present your bank card and instead of handing it over the counter you put it in a little machine which then asks you for your private ATM code. I find this transaction weird: both parties bow down before this little black box and rarely look at each other. I assumed the US had invented it ;-D</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/gift-cards-as-complementary-currency/comment-page-1/#comment-86090</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_currency

&lt;blockquote&gt;In the United States, the Free Banking Era lasted between 1837 and 1866, when almost anyone could issue paper money. States, municipalities, private banks, railroad and construction companies, stores, restaurants, churches and individuals printed an estimated 8,000 different monies by 1860. If an issuer went bankrupt, closed, left town, or otherwise went out of business the note would be worthless. Such organizations earned the nickname of "wildcat banks" for a reputation of unreliability; they were often situated in remote, unpopulated locales said to be inhabited more by wildcats than by people. Yet according to Lawrence H. White's article in The Freeman "it turns out that 'wildcat' banking is largely a myth. Although stories about crooked banking practices are entertainingâ€”and for that reason have been repeated endlessly by textbooksâ€”modern economic historians have found that there were in fact very few banks that fit any reasonable definition of wildcat bank." The National Bank Act of 1863 ended the "wildcat bank" period.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>In the United States, the Free Banking Era lasted between 1837 and 1866, when almost anyone could issue paper money. States, municipalities, private banks, railroad and construction companies, stores, restaurants, churches and individuals printed an estimated 8,000 different monies by 1860. If an issuer went bankrupt, closed, left town, or otherwise went out of business the note would be worthless. Such organizations earned the nickname of &#8220;wildcat banks&#8221; for a reputation of unreliability; they were often situated in remote, unpopulated locales said to be inhabited more by wildcats than by people. Yet according to Lawrence H. White&#8217;s article in The Freeman &#8220;it turns out that &#8216;wildcat&#8217; banking is largely a myth. Although stories about crooked banking practices are entertainingâ€”and for that reason have been repeated endlessly by textbooksâ€”modern economic historians have found that there were in fact very few banks that fit any reasonable definition of wildcat bank.&#8221; The National Bank Act of 1863 ended the &#8220;wildcat bank&#8221; period.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/gift-cards-as-complementary-currency/comment-page-1/#comment-86086</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.strike-the-root.com/3/pre/pre2.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;

An infusion of local scrip into a communityâ€™s economy can ameliorate, as could no other instrument, crippling cash shortages due to unemployment, under-employment, personal financial distress and bankruptcies, once again establishing liquidity and equity in our local financial transactions.

But is local scrip a legal tender, you ask? According to the experts, local currency provides a completely legal, debt free and people friendly means of exchange, serving only the needs of the local community.

In "Rethinking Our Centralized Monetary System," law professor Lewis Soloman states, â€œThere is no legal prohibition to local scrip, community currencies or private exchange systems in the United States. The fact that there have been no challenges to the systems already in operation support that finding. Taxation operates under the same fundamental rules of trading with the national currency.â€

"They're like Disney Dollars," says Betsy Holahan, a spokesperson for the Treasury Department. "There is no requirement that businesses must accept U.S. currency." &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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<p>An infusion of local scrip into a communityâ€™s economy can ameliorate, as could no other instrument, crippling cash shortages due to unemployment, under-employment, personal financial distress and bankruptcies, once again establishing liquidity and equity in our local financial transactions.</p>
<p>But is local scrip a legal tender, you ask? According to the experts, local currency provides a completely legal, debt free and people friendly means of exchange, serving only the needs of the local community.</p>
<p>In &#8220;Rethinking Our Centralized Monetary System,&#8221; law professor Lewis Soloman states, â€œThere is no legal prohibition to local scrip, community currencies or private exchange systems in the United States. The fact that there have been no challenges to the systems already in operation support that finding. Taxation operates under the same fundamental rules of trading with the national currency.â€</p>
<p>&#8220;They&#8217;re like Disney Dollars,&#8221; says Betsy Holahan, a spokesperson for the Treasury Department. &#8220;There is no requirement that businesses must accept U.S. currency.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/gift-cards-as-complementary-currency/comment-page-1/#comment-86085</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whatâ€™s to stop local firms issuing gift certificates, redeemable in the community? Presumably thereâ€™s something that makes this illegal to prevent local currencies arising.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm not sure there is anything illegal about this... It is the essence of what Ithaca Hours is all about

http://www.ithacahours.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_hours</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whatâ€™s to stop local firms issuing gift certificates, redeemable in the community? Presumably thereâ€™s something that makes this illegal to prevent local currencies arising.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure there is anything illegal about this&#8230; It is the essence of what Ithaca Hours is all about</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ithacahours.org/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.ithacahours.org/'>http://www.ithacahours.org/</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_hours" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_hours'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_hours</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/gift-cards-as-complementary-currency/comment-page-1/#comment-86084</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder if there is a way to scrape the $1.50â€™s or 43 cents or what have u off of these gift cards and pool the money into something that can be useful.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Let's figure it out. What do we need to make it happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder if there is a way to scrape the $1.50â€™s or 43 cents or what have u off of these gift cards and pool the money into something that can be useful.</p></blockquote>
<p>Let&#8217;s figure it out. What do we need to make it happen?</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/gift-cards-as-complementary-currency/comment-page-1/#comment-86083</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if there is a way to scrape the $1.50's or 43 cents or what have u off of these gift cards and pool the money into something that can be useful. For profit or charity. Sort of like the famous old accounting scam when moved to computer processing systems, where all extra fraction pennies on transactions rounded down were sent to an account to accumulate. Except legal, because the person who owns the remainder of money on the card needs to agree to give it over. Maybe a lottery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there is a way to scrape the $1.50&#8217;s or 43 cents or what have u off of these gift cards and pool the money into something that can be useful. For profit or charity. Sort of like the famous old accounting scam when moved to computer processing systems, where all extra fraction pennies on transactions rounded down were sent to an account to accumulate. Except legal, because the person who owns the remainder of money on the card needs to agree to give it over. Maybe a lottery.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/gift-cards-as-complementary-currency/comment-page-1/#comment-86082</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In the cashless society youâ€™ll only be able to spend money in approved stores. You wonâ€™t be able to give it to your mates.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

See:

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/cash-in-a-cashless-society/



&lt;blockquote&gt;Ever noticed how when you pay chip and pin itâ€™s made very clear that the transaction isnâ€™t between you and the shopkeeper, but between both of you and the machine?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What is chip and pin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In the cashless society youâ€™ll only be able to spend money in approved stores. You wonâ€™t be able to give it to your mates.</p></blockquote>
<p>See:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/cash-in-a-cashless-society/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/cash-in-a-cashless-society/'>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/cash-in-a-cashless-society/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Ever noticed how when you pay chip and pin itâ€™s made very clear that the transaction isnâ€™t between you and the shopkeeper, but between both of you and the machine?</p></blockquote>
<p>What is chip and pin?</p>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's to stop local firms issuing gift certificates, redeemable in the community? Presumably there's something that makes this illegal to prevent local currencies arising. I mean, say a firm is produce rich but cash poor. So one day it pays its staff partly in vouchers redeemable for produce. Like payment in kind but deferrable. Suppose an agreement is made that other local producers would accept the vouchers, and that to prevent the craziness of inflation due to the random printing of 'money', the vouchers are set to depreciate. Isn't that then a local currency? Which is presumably illegal. So where is the line drawn? Why are stores vouchers legal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s to stop local firms issuing gift certificates, redeemable in the community? Presumably there&#8217;s something that makes this illegal to prevent local currencies arising. I mean, say a firm is produce rich but cash poor. So one day it pays its staff partly in vouchers redeemable for produce. Like payment in kind but deferrable. Suppose an agreement is made that other local producers would accept the vouchers, and that to prevent the craziness of inflation due to the random printing of &#8216;money&#8217;, the vouchers are set to depreciate. Isn&#8217;t that then a local currency? Which is presumably illegal. So where is the line drawn? Why are stores vouchers legal?</p>
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		<title>By: Cash In A Cashless Society - Pop Occulture</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cash In A Cashless Society - Pop Occulture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] {Following up on my article about gift cards as complementary currency.} [...]</description>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/gift-cards-as-complementary-currency/comment-page-1/#comment-86076</link>
		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep money within your community. Oh yes. Which is why I'm quite willing to pay a premium for local produce.

In the cashless society you'll only be able to spend money in approved stores. You won't be able to give it to your mates.

Ever noticed how when you pay chip and pin it's made very clear that the transaction isn't between you and the shopkeeper, but between both of you and the machine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep money within your community. Oh yes. Which is why I&#8217;m quite willing to pay a premium for local produce.</p>
<p>In the cashless society you&#8217;ll only be able to spend money in approved stores. You won&#8217;t be able to give it to your mates.</p>
<p>Ever noticed how when you pay chip and pin it&#8217;s made very clear that the transaction isn&#8217;t between you and the shopkeeper, but between both of you and the machine?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2007/10/15/gift-cards-as-complementary-currency/comment-page-1/#comment-86075</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On cashless society and Cingular rebate cards

http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/11/cashless-society-cash_cx_em_money06_0214cashless.html
http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2006/2/17/01751/6504</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On cashless society and Cingular rebate cards</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/11/cashless-society-cash_cx_em_money06_0214cashless.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/11/cashless-society-cash_cx_em_money06_0214cashless.html'>http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/11/cashl...-cash_cx_em_money06_0214cashless.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2006/2/17/01751/6504" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2006/2/17/01751/6504'>http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2006/2/17/01751/6504</a></p>
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