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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are undercurrents in conspiracy theories lately about this. They or whoever either overextended our army/budget on purpose or They or whoever saw the mess that was being made and let-it-happen-on-purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are undercurrents in conspiracy theories lately about this. They or whoever either overextended our army/budget on purpose or They or whoever saw the mess that was being made and let-it-happen-on-purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Itâ€™s been at the back of my mind for ages that maybe Iraq was invaded deliberately to collapse the dollarâ€¦ but my reasoning beyond that point has always been shaky.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We should explore this theory and figure out the degree of truthfulness and usefulness behind it. 



&lt;blockquote&gt;Hm. What does the word â€˜greenbackâ€™ mean to you guys?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Greenback_Party

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Greenback Party (also known as the Independent Party, the National Party, and the Greenback-Labor Party) was an American political party that was active between 1874 and 1884. Its name referred to paper money, or "greenbacks," that had been issued during the American Civil War and afterward. The party opposed the shift from paper money back to a specie-based monetary system because it believed that privately owned banks and corporations would then reacquire the power to define the value of products and labor. Conversely, they believed that government control of the monetary system would allow it to keep more currency in circulation, as it had in the war. This would better foster business and assist farmers by raising prices and making debts easier to pay. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;Time for a vision-quest?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, time for an action-quest! The future is for visions. The present is for actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Itâ€™s been at the back of my mind for ages that maybe Iraq was invaded deliberately to collapse the dollarâ€¦ but my reasoning beyond that point has always been shaky.</p></blockquote>
<p>We should explore this theory and figure out the degree of truthfulness and usefulness behind it. </p>
<blockquote><p>Hm. What does the word â€˜greenbackâ€™ mean to you guys?</p></blockquote>
<p>This:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Greenback_Party" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Greenback_Party'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Greenback_Party</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The Greenback Party (also known as the Independent Party, the National Party, and the Greenback-Labor Party) was an American political party that was active between 1874 and 1884. Its name referred to paper money, or &#8220;greenbacks,&#8221; that had been issued during the American Civil War and afterward. The party opposed the shift from paper money back to a specie-based monetary system because it believed that privately owned banks and corporations would then reacquire the power to define the value of products and labor. Conversely, they believed that government control of the monetary system would allow it to keep more currency in circulation, as it had in the war. This would better foster business and assist farmers by raising prices and making debts easier to pay. </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Time for a vision-quest?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, time for an action-quest! The future is for visions. The present is for actions.</p>
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		<title>By: speedbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>speedbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's been at the back of my mind for ages that maybe Iraq was invaded deliberately to collapse the dollar... but my reasoning beyond that point has always been shaky. :-)

Hm. What does the word 'greenback' mean to you guys? :-D

&#62; I think we have as much room in the future as we have vision.

Nice! Time for a vision-quest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been at the back of my mind for ages that maybe Iraq was invaded deliberately to collapse the dollar&#8230; but my reasoning beyond that point has always been shaky. <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hm. What does the word &#8216;greenback&#8217; mean to you guys? <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&gt; I think we have as much room in the future as we have vision.</p>
<p>Nice! Time for a vision-quest?</p>
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		<title>By: Lesson #1 from John Fowles&#8217; The Magus &#171; Waking the Midnight Sun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesson #1 from John Fowles&#8217; The Magus &#171; Waking the Midnight Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oct 29th, 2007 by cadeveo    You can admire the chutzpah and strategic skill of certain groups and individuals without necessarily needing to worship what they *do* with their skill and chutzpah. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Oct 29th, 2007 by cadeveo    You can admire the chutzpah and strategic skill of certain groups and individuals without necessarily needing to worship what they *do* with their skill and chutzpah. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A mentor of mine used to always quote Blake, â€œI must create my own system or be enslaved by another manâ€™s.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A mentor of mine used to say that too. "Dominate it or it will dominate you." That applies to people, systems, habits, technologies, everything. 

wicked, brilliant thread here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A mentor of mine used to always quote Blake, â€œI must create my own system or be enslaved by another manâ€™s.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>A mentor of mine used to say that too. &#8220;Dominate it or it will dominate you.&#8221; That applies to people, systems, habits, technologies, everything. </p>
<p>wicked, brilliant thread here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Heistman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Heistman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://freerangeorganichuman2.blogspot.com/2007/10/conspiracy-thinking-vs-reptilians-are.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Conspiracy thinking vs. cool reptilians&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://freerangeorganichuman2.blogspot.com/2007/10/conspiracy-thinking-vs-reptilians-are.html" rel="nofollow">Conspiracy thinking vs. cool reptilians</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ted Heistman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Heistman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope there are reptilian humanoids living in outer space somewhere...Because they are sooo Cool! Conspiracy thinking aside, reptiles are awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope there are reptilian humanoids living in outer space somewhere&#8230;Because they are sooo Cool! Conspiracy thinking aside, reptiles are awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;there were millions and millions of people who did not have the courage to live their lives the way they truly wanted. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Very true! When you begin living the life you want, you become a controversial figure regardless of how you're doing it, never mind if you intentionally play it up!



&lt;blockquote&gt;some sort of check and balance upon the ability of any villain to exact such harm upon the world. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly perfect: the only check against powerful men is other powerful men. 


&lt;blockquote&gt;Thing is, when you lack the courage to live the life of your dreams, you end up simply being used and made over to play whatever roles other, stronger people want you to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A mentor of mine used to always quote Blake, "I must create my own system or be enslaved by another man's." 



&lt;blockquote&gt;As more and more people live their dreams, you get a win-winâ€¦people have roles to play in each others dreams through mutually aiding and valuing each other.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Excellently put and this is really the cornerstone of my new site and my new lease on life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>there were millions and millions of people who did not have the courage to live their lives the way they truly wanted. </p></blockquote>
<p>Very true! When you begin living the life you want, you become a controversial figure regardless of how you&#8217;re doing it, never mind if you intentionally play it up!</p>
<blockquote><p>some sort of check and balance upon the ability of any villain to exact such harm upon the world. </p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly perfect: the only check against powerful men is other powerful men. </p>
<blockquote><p>Thing is, when you lack the courage to live the life of your dreams, you end up simply being used and made over to play whatever roles other, stronger people want you to.</p></blockquote>
<p>A mentor of mine used to always quote Blake, &#8220;I must create my own system or be enslaved by another man&#8217;s.&#8221; </p>
<blockquote><p>As more and more people live their dreams, you get a win-winâ€¦people have roles to play in each others dreams through mutually aiding and valuing each other.</p></blockquote>
<p>Excellently put and this is really the cornerstone of my new site and my new lease on life.</p>
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		<title>By: cadeveo</title>
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		<dc:creator>cadeveo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless, by lizards from outerspace you mean green paper currency...

I feel flip at 1am!

Good insights.

You can admire the chutzpah and strategic skill of certain groups and individuals without necessarily needing to worship what they *do* with their skill and chutzpah.

There's some line in the Magus where Conchis (the Mage) says something along the lines of people shouldn't blame Hitler for having had the balls to play the villain.  That's a shocking line, but the underlying point is his playing that role could only have such terrible consequences/results for the fact that there were millions and millions of people who did not have the courage to live their lives the way they truly wanted.  If that had been the case, there would have been some sort of check and balance upon the ability of any villain to exact such harm upon the world.  Thing is, when you lack the courage to live the life of your dreams, you end up simply being used and made over to play whatever roles other, stronger people want you to.  There's a win-lose thing.  As more and more people live their dreams, you get a win-win...people have roles to play in each others dreams through mutually aiding and valuing each other.
...just some thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless, by lizards from outerspace you mean green paper currency&#8230;</p>
<p>I feel flip at 1am!</p>
<p>Good insights.</p>
<p>You can admire the chutzpah and strategic skill of certain groups and individuals without necessarily needing to worship what they *do* with their skill and chutzpah.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s some line in the Magus where Conchis (the Mage) says something along the lines of people shouldn&#8217;t blame Hitler for having had the balls to play the villain.  That&#8217;s a shocking line, but the underlying point is his playing that role could only have such terrible consequences/results for the fact that there were millions and millions of people who did not have the courage to live their lives the way they truly wanted.  If that had been the case, there would have been some sort of check and balance upon the ability of any villain to exact such harm upon the world.  Thing is, when you lack the courage to live the life of your dreams, you end up simply being used and made over to play whatever roles other, stronger people want you to.  There&#8217;s a win-lose thing.  As more and more people live their dreams, you get a win-win&#8230;people have roles to play in each others dreams through mutually aiding and valuing each other.<br />
&#8230;just some thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Heistman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Heistman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly.</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we have as much room in the future as we have vision.</description>
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		<title>By: Ted Heistman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Heistman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't mean it in a derogatory way. I just think there seems to be these two ends of a continuum. I'd like to think there is room in the future for both visions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean it in a derogatory way. I just think there seems to be these two ends of a continuum. I&#8217;d like to think there is room in the future for both visions.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I actually don't hate or fear the people who are executing these strategies... What they are doing is genius and masterful. Studying it is worthwhile, as is like you guys are saying, learning how to perfectly articulate the world you'd like to exist in instead. One thing I do think folks on the ground like us could stand to really learn a lot more about though are these types of long-term strategies, how to spot them, how to unravel them, how to reverse engineer them, and how to execute our own. I don't blame anyone in the world for trying to enact their will, to live their vision or to protect what's theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I actually don&#8217;t hate or fear the people who are executing these strategies&#8230; What they are doing is genius and masterful. Studying it is worthwhile, as is like you guys are saying, learning how to perfectly articulate the world you&#8217;d like to exist in instead. One thing I do think folks on the ground like us could stand to really learn a lot more about though are these types of long-term strategies, how to spot them, how to unravel them, how to reverse engineer them, and how to execute our own. I don&#8217;t blame anyone in the world for trying to enact their will, to live their vision or to protect what&#8217;s theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Svenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Svenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for raising the visibility of that one Tim!

Ted, I actually think that's the best way to think...Just visualize the world you want and try to work it in with the present. I for one am sick of worrying, and I find it much funner to think like that! At least it lets see the possibilities...

Julia, hell yeah! Its kinda scary brilliant actually...I just love the way the face for it in America is this "salt of the earth" president you could "have a beer with" that seems  unable to articulate complex ideas, let alone come up with them. It cracks me up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for raising the visibility of that one Tim!</p>
<p>Ted, I actually think that&#8217;s the best way to think&#8230;Just visualize the world you want and try to work it in with the present. I for one am sick of worrying, and I find it much funner to think like that! At least it lets see the possibilities&#8230;</p>
<p>Julia, hell yeah! Its kinda scary brilliant actually&#8230;I just love the way the face for it in America is this &#8220;salt of the earth&#8221; president you could &#8220;have a beer with&#8221; that seems  unable to articulate complex ideas, let alone come up with them. It cracks me up.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don't need to be either green nor a hippy to want to be part of a natural healthy human community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t need to be either green nor a hippy to want to be part of a natural healthy human community.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;reduce national identity, aquiring mass debt with China to bind the dollar to their production, and strategically losing a war in Iraq&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yea! Good stuff. It's a strategy. "You can disrupt my economy but I'm taking you off the cliff with me." "You can kick me out of the Gulf but I'm the only who can deal with the mess. But, it's all yours if you want it."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>reduce national identity, aquiring mass debt with China to bind the dollar to their production, and strategically losing a war in Iraq</p></blockquote>
<p>Yea! Good stuff. It&#8217;s a strategy. &#8220;You can disrupt my economy but I&#8217;m taking you off the cliff with me.&#8221; &#8220;You can kick me out of the Gulf but I&#8217;m the only who can deal with the mess. But, it&#8217;s all yours if you want it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Heistman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Heistman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just thinking maybe everyone will get their wish. 
The Green hippy types can have sustainable communities, community currency etc. Folk culture, hemp clothing etc. 

Then the global capitalists can exist in these networks jet setting around the world moving at light speed. 

There could be these little hubs where the two worlds connect and trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just thinking maybe everyone will get their wish.<br />
The Green hippy types can have sustainable communities, community currency etc. Folk culture, hemp clothing etc. </p>
<p>Then the global capitalists can exist in these networks jet setting around the world moving at light speed. </p>
<p>There could be these little hubs where the two worlds connect and trade.</p>
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