Web Restraining Order
The Strategist asked me last night: “Is there such a thing as an internet restraining order?” Anybody?
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SURROUND YOURSELF WITH STRENGTH.
October 25th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Umm. Blocking? Pay to enter?
October 25th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
Firewalls, secure sign on…
October 25th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
do you mean ‘restraint from contacting someone online’? I think that is handled by regular restraining orders.
If you mean ‘restriction from getting online’, that has been applied to Kevin Mitnick and other hackers.
October 25th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Both are very interesting.
Part of the territory I’m pushing into here has to do with “presences” and “realms”. Those two words keep circling around my mind like vultures seeking carrion to dine on.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Presences, eh. And restraints between two realms or presences online?
) of sites and applicable content (for example, speculation, music, art, conspiracy, etc)
I have a lot of ideas on how it would be interesting and possible to create a closed (yet open) circuit or more to the point searchable data / hits / returns pulled from this “closed” pool of sites, that would be linked by a portal and some sort of site tag to join the sites inside the circle in the search area. This would allow you to search only within the network of sites included and get hit returns from only that pool of data (or perhaps prioritized from the pool and secondarily outside the pool).
But, not sure if this jibes with your ideas about presence and realm - might well do though. This way you could “restrain” crap that is returned on search words by only searching within the “best of breed” (or at least those interested in tagging into the search pool
October 26th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Have you seen Rollyo?
October 28th, 2007 at 11:43 am
had not. Looks like the thing. Now a really popular portal is the only thing required
October 28th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
What would a popular portal do for you? Seems like what you would want would be specialized searches farmed out whatever subcultural group knows the most about that subject… Almost like a humanized search switchboard or something…
October 28th, 2007 at 7:06 pm
I am looking at it in a certain way, for sure, that may need adjusting. But if you have a closed circle of sites within a search zone, and their is a tool already available to allow you to display this search engine on a “main page” or portal site, where you enter and search, then the idea above is almost able to be put to work. Then u need a set of sites that fit the “zone” content criteria as described, and people who are interested in that content and data. Your site is a great example of this statement, but we are talking about something broader in scope. If all this is already in place, and you have community of people that are already interested in participating (users), then it is a start to the creation of that idea. and if in addition we have other means to push or centralize the user experience, that would get rid of the need for an old fashioned portal. I, at this point, see the portal as the glue for this affiliation of sites, since otherwise there is no community of people involved heading to a common start point, but only a different type of search site/tool that you as a general internet user can go to to customize your own search methods. So in this idea it would be like going to the library to start your reading (or a library of music, movies, etc). But instead of all 5 million books to wade through for areas and data of interest to you, a whole set of info of is already filtered out or in, depending how you look at it, and your search is narrowed now to relevant (for you) stuff only. Then traffic and users time is kept within this zone, and prime search return data is displayed for access only from available in this search zone….on reading it might sound limiting somehow, but that is not the point it is to limit to an area of better value for the user.
October 28th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
You’re being too complex and not specific enough in your explanation above. Clarifying it will help you visualize what you’re saying.
What is it you would really want out of a search product like that? How would it give it to you?
To me, it’s all about shared value communities and having information directed to you from the shared value community which knows the most about what you’re looking for, and whose value and language/symbol/aesthetic system is the most comprehensible to yours (has the most parity to your world).
We need to start thinking in realms and information spaces and programmatic entities.
October 28th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
OK. I think I can visualize the mechanics of what I am saying, but saying what I visualize is problematic…on reading your requirement for value in this, I think we are actually pointing to the same thing. I am thinking about possible practical ideas to start to create such a “realm of unified presences”. You want a shared value realm on the internet. I think it can be created practically by tagging participant presences (I didn’t say websites!) to create a circuit/thread between these sites that pulls (or pushes) the information sought by the end user from these presences, within the search realm, first above any other realm of presences. For example, not my interest but let’s say for little kids. The idea of a seperate “internet” for them to use might seem ideal, since it could cater to content suitable, rather than risk potentially unwanted information coming back from “vile presences” within the general and overall realm of internet. However, building a seperate physical internet for this purpose is stupid. So within the existing infrastructure, a way to create that is a new kid friendly focused realm, where only kid friendly presences would be available to push or pull info to / from. Sort of like sesame street.com, but without such a limit on the realm. Grover, Ernie can be in this new realm, also every other thing that kids might conceivably be interested in. Now, that is an example. I am not personally interested in the kid content within such a realm, but I am interested in the content I am interested in. And Joe Blow is interested in the content he is interested in. Maybe plumbing. Plumbing related presences witihn a plumbing realm. There can be a “realm” for people interested in pissing on each other I guess too. Again I don’t want to join this one…but it is an example of a closed set of interest parameters that appeals to some group or type or whatever.
So..am I really talking about something new? repackaging an existing structure? does this already exist? Tim I think you are talking about expanding this by not limiting it to the concept of webpages / sites but just whatever form of content can be interlinked in an internet type system?
October 28th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
btw, To[p oBcultu]re back at ya.
October 28th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Beautiful! Especially the “realm of unified presences” thing. Just wonderful!
Shit! We’re getting closer and closer. This is helping me clarify my own vision as well. Thank you so much!
{See also: Nintendo Wii’s “Internet Channel”, Baidu, Google censorship, WebSense}
Right, it is important not to limit language around this to the internet, as this is about to leap into “real life” with augmented reality, etc.
October 28th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
BTW, this is an excellent example of a very fruitful conversation arising out of a very abstract short point.