I’m not sure there are any true binding incantations, only trust…

> our perception has been clouded

I agree completely…

> The end-level boss is paranoia

Now that’s interesting. I’m going to have to go away and think about that one.

They were: it’s called media! These ideas are anything but hidden. But they do have a competitor who has equally powerful media backing.

Their not hidden to people like you who read between the lines with media, but try this: Right down the core tenents of illuminism and show them to people. See how many recognize them as something they take for granted and have learned from media like TV. I would be surprised to see that many have.

Why weren’t these ideas integrated into our mainstream cultural beliefs?

They were: it’s called media! These ideas are anything but hidden. But they do have a competitor who has equally powerful media backing.

we need an open illuminati NOW!

Open-source Illuminism!

The question, I think, is when you’re aware of these things, what do you do about them?

Solomon bound them to build his temple.

Why are these things hidden? Why no happy blending of the spiritual and the material? Why no clarity of vision?

Simply because our perception has been clouded, not because these things are really hidden. They are everywhere you look.

But surely first the hero has to defeat his inner demons or something like that,

No societal change can occur until each man or woman corrects first himself.

And the beauty of it is that all we really have to do is be nice.

Yes! Be good to one another. Put others first. Get out of your own damn way.

Hey, I resemble the beard remark!

but I think rather it’s ‘make peace with’, and they ain’t demons, there more like the inhabitants of the society of mind.

Alliances must be made, pacts drawn up, oaths of fealty uttered in the dark basements of the heart and mind.

And then it’s more like a videogame, cos at that point the end-of-level baddie will become apparent…

The end-level boss is paranoia, who draws you into the last trap, the “Don’t be paranoid” trap which is a negative command forcing you into oblivion. Must be replaced with a positive command, a la Rob Breszny: “The universe is conspiring to help me.”

The other danger that arises: the Devil induces you to sin by flattering you and making you feel powerful, and therefore induces fear of losing that power. Hence Jesus’ command to give away all your possessions is a practical one: empty yourself of all delusions of and striving towards power at every turn and in every action you take. The Sufis say he who sleeps on the floor cannot fall out of bed.

but I think rather it’s ‘make peace with’, and they ain’t demons, there more like the inhabitants of the society of mind.

And then it’s more like a videogame, cos at that point the end-of-level baddie will become apparent…

Er… no, not deliberately. But then I remembered the photo on the front page of this site and thought a big ‘oops’. Nothing personal, honest!

On one side you have retard religion that denies the basic facts of science, and on the other you have completly amoral science that fixates on what COULD be done without any framework to suggest what SHOULD be done…And where is the illumism, to guide the science with ethical principles and direct the religious ideas of right and wrong in a way that makes sense in this industrial scientific world? Its simply not there. So now the very liberties that were established by these people in the Bill of Rights, like the 4th ammendment, and being stripped away from us. Why? Because of the fear that adherants of retard religion will attain the fruits of amoral science. (Jihadis with Nukes) But where is the middle ground? Where is the illumism to deradicalize the religions, and guide the scientists not do make things like WMDs in the first place?

Wow, that’s a good take.

So how did the illuminism/freemasonic vision of equality, fraternity, science, and freedom get schismed, anyway?

And after this dissolution, shouldn’t there be a potential for coagulation and transmutation into a more perfected form of illuminism?

Yes, the dark knight of the soul and all that. Then this:

…that one who has mastered oneself has achieved a harmonious union within their mind and inner experience, which they then bring to bear on their interactions with other people. The “virus” spreads from person to person by example, by effective and authentic communication, by teaching and by agreement. And before you know it, you have a whole bunch of sovereign individuals running around, making agreements with one another, creating cool projects and enhancing the experience of everyone their shared value community.

Magic. All we need are numbers and we’ve got our own damn illuminati. And the beauty of it is that all we really have to do is be nice.

So nice that we can’t possibly be demonised, so numerous that ‘they’ can’t possibly hide us all!

Yeah, you’re probably right! … Classic archetype stuff

But surely first the hero has to defeat his inner demons or something like that, right? Hero has to lose faith in self, reach rock bottom, get chucked out of his apatrment, /grow a beard/… then some sort of realisation will be achieved… ?

Svenson, you’re not kidding; that’s totally THE question.

I don’t know for sure, but it’s seemed to me for a while now that Something big, bad and ugly is actively doing the hiding, and to simply confront that head on might be a bad idea.

and speedbird with the illumination. it makes perfect sense… it’s a graphic novel:

1) superhero hides from people and villain for own safety

2) villian hides from people and hero for same reason

3) villian impersonates hero, makes people think hero is bad

4) people work with villian to help protect themselves from hero

5) people wonder where the fuck are the all the heroes?

how does the hero escape this trick? confront the villian head on, ugly be damned.

and if this is one of those po-mo stories where the hero is dead? remember, remember the 5th of november!

…active imagination, wherein he would identify these individual impulses within his own mind, objectify them as character/entities, and then intentionally interact with them as though they were external to him.

…seems like the synopsis of the Matrix Trilogy.

…appointed, chosen, or taking control according to an inner politics first existing within the greater inner mind.

Yep. Neo = the Source, of course. There is no spoon, of course.

Also typical to this state of mind seems to be a leap to another level of interacting with people: you begin to withdraw your projections of what other people seem to be and allow them to simply be as they really are.

Everyone’s made of little green glyphs!

Belabouring cultural metaphors? Priceless.

The whole ’society of mind’ idea rings true… I sense that entities like this exist. Some may be personal, some may be societal and archetypal. I don’t see them as angels or demons per se.

The question, I think, is when you’re aware of these things, what do you do about them? Some would attempt to destroy them, I’m sure. Or if you believe Osbert Sitwell’s take on the fall of Babylon, the Babylonians worshipped them and this division of the divine into many little bits directly resulted in the division of Belshazzar’s kingdom (shortly after the incident with the writing on the wall). A middle way, then, is to be advised…

I agree, genius often seems to be just about seeing clearly.

Why are these things hidden? Why no happy blending of the spiritual and the material? Why no clarity of vision?

I don’t know for sure, but it’s seemed to me for a while now that Something big, bad and ugly is actively doing the hiding, and to simply confront that head on might be a bad idea.

The main I’m obsessing on is this: So you’ve got this group that had to be born in secrecy do to religious persecution, but it eventually rises to such prominence and power that it creates all these revolutions of thoughts and even begins the United states, a place so tolerant of diverse thought and religions that it spawns many imitators, and eventually becomes a place where even a group like the Church of Satan can operate openly…Yet something is missing: Why didn’t the illuminati come out of the closet when the coast was clear? Why weren’t these ideas integrated into our mainstream cultural beliefs?

To me, this is THE question. Its simply huge. Its not about the power of the illuminati or whatever so much as it is about the huge gaping hole in our culture where illuminism should be. I mean, what is it? Its a system that prescribes morality like religion, connects us to the universe like spirituality, and adheres to reason like science, in a unified way. Yet when I look at our culture I see no such thing, just a gaping chasm. On one side you have retard religion that denies the basic facts of science, and on the other you have completly amoral science that fixates on what COULD be done without any framework to suggest what SHOULD be done…And where is the illumism, to guide the science with ethical principles and direct the religious ideas of right and wrong in a way that makes sense in this industrial scientific world? Its simply not there. So now the very liberties that were established by these people in the Bill of Rights, like the 4th ammendment, and being stripped away from us. Why? Because of the fear that adherants of retard religion will attain the fruits of amoral science. (Jihadis with Nukes) But where is the middle ground? Where is the illumism to deradicalize the religions, and guide the scientists not do make things like WMDs in the first place?
Its like an egg that won’t hatch or a baby that refuses to be born; when its young and forming, it makes sense that it be hidden away in the womb, that it be secret. But eventually, when its strong enough, and its safe, it needs to come out into the light of the sun. This hasn’t happened with illuminism, and I don’t know why. I don’t even care to speculate right now why that is. But all I know is that its needed…we need an open illuminati NOW!

(By the way, speaking of openness and clarity, I love the new start page on your site, which suggest to me both)

I start a secret society. Somebody figures it out. (Joe didn’t do that on his own, he doesn’t care, Julia had a hand in this. She couldn’t have figured out X, Brian told her. They do all go to the same restaurant on Thursdays. Hmm.) The priesthood/aristocracy/secret police value this info but I might value my secrecy more. I can’t pay blackmail for the rest of my life so, being clever, I form an alliance. I learn new tricks from my new partners and they learn my weaknesses and exploit them. I need increasingly secret secrets to compete. Just knowing some of these things makes me guilty for not telling the authorities. Now I have become corrupted. I have to ignore heinous situations in order to keep what I value and pass it along to future generations.

I think the biggest reason for the success of the American Revolution was the distance of America from Europe. The plotters were under surveilance by people whose reports didn’t make to the Crown for over a month. Social pressures were for progress because England had blocked progress. (For example, we were not allowed to import certain tools and tool making machines.) Those pressures overrode the patriotism most citizens felt for England, at the time a money/resource leech on this continent like all other European powers. Plus the Founding Fathers were extraordinary men. That always helps.

I think the way the NWO interlocutors frame the subject is that “Bankers Are Evil” because bankers advocate the old-system: private ownership of wealth. Then they pull in cultural historical divides between classes, continue associating the Jews with finance (because the Christians used them to do their dirty work in Medieval Times, as a sort of untouchable caste)… blah blah blah modern conspiracy theory in a nutshell unravels.

This I love:

from there the rest is intentional, honest, as you sow so shall you reap, simple, natural living, perseverance and patience and practice.

and then, the whole “neediness” thing falls away. Not to say one doesn’t have needs and desires. Needs are different than being needy.

Wicked!

Just flat out giving and sharing.

Yes, with absolutely no expectation of any return. Caritas. Universal Love Value.

Reciprocity is at play in all of this.

but not in the way one might think. Just flat out giving and sharing. Neediness is a type of congestion.

I think you fucking got it!

And so well put! (I’m thinking, if a guy as sharp as Tim sees it the way I’ve come to see it, we might be on to right Path…)

This makes you become completely up front about your expectations with other people, and leads you into areas like social contracts, agreements governing interactions between people, voluntary associations, etc. In other words, all the things that the United States was actually founded on: Illuminati and Freemasonic ideals that men can and should govern themselves, that they have the right to do that and that society exists as an agreement which we can amend as needed. Like I said, I think it’s a beautiful philosophy and I frankly don’t see what is supposed to be so damned scary and conspiratorial about it.

THIS is so often overlooked nowadays, neglected, belittled…

And before you know it, you have a whole bunch of sovereign individuals running around, making agreements with one another, creating cool projects and enhancing the experience of everyone their shared value community.

and how can it NOT lead to this?? These two points hit me hard when I finally understood what this means. It has changed my outlook on EVERYTHING. That and having a baby on the way in 10 short weeks, my new understanding of marriage, and friendship and running my business, what it means to be a member of a community and etc.

You could throw alchemy into the mix, which I suppose is what Jung did. The alchemical marriage…

Re: Point numero #3, what I find effective is a conscious “shift” of energy, or hmmm…a pushing ever so gently (a little shove, a nudge–not too hard at least in my case the risk of boiling over in alchemical speak…) into a more appropriate direction.

And so, I can relate to your “what the hell happened to me” post.

This might sound weird to some people here, and I’m not inclined to say more about it, but a few RS Clymer books is really what it took to get me on track, and from there the rest is intentional, honest, as you sow so shall you reap, simple, natural living, perseverance and patience and practice.

and then, the whole “neediness” thing falls away. Not to say one doesn’t have needs and desires. Needs are different than being needy. Reciprocity is at play in all of this.

At least this is my TASTE of it…I am still way too much of a distracted knucklehead at times.

I love you, man, for this and so many other posts!

hmmm…that Jane quote kicks ass.