If we can have rich people and corporations and clean air and forests, why not?

Totally! Spoken like a true Illuminati sympathizer!

That’s totally amazing! I would love to see a vision of the future powered by these kinds of ideals - without being overly anti-technology - become more prominent.

I see it happening already. I mean a lot the radicals get angry and call it “green washing” when corporations start to get behind this stuff. But I think a lot of it is legit. And average people want to live in harmony with nature and help animals.

Some of these radical environmentalists don’t just want the world to be better they want to see rich guys jumping out of buildings.

But that’s not the way the world works. Everything is interconnected. Marxism is like a species of animal that had a chance to live and the expiriment failed. It became extinct. Life goes on. Things adapt. If we can have rich people and corporations and clean air and forests, why not?

People will live in cities and bears and huge crocodiles will wander in and get into trouble and people will be like

I had a dream with a bear last night… he was wandering around a populated area, and I was trying not to be afraid of him. Super weird.

I think people will be learning to live with wild animals and incoporate them into daily life instead of having a big wall of seperation. Cities will be more like ultra modern zoos, flocks of birds flying around, nesting, herds of deer eating from gardens on peoples lawns, from special gardens they planted there for the deer to eat at.

Huge canals running through cities, filled with fish, that people can eat. Plus special wildlife parks that are like huge gardens that people have created to make the most intensive habitat possible, where animals hand humans forage side by side. Public orchards all over the place run by communities that anyone can come and pick the fruit, as long as you eat it all there in the orchard and don’t carry any away.

That’s totally amazing! I would love to see a vision of the future powered by these kinds of ideals - without being overly anti-technology - become more prominent.

People will live in cities and bears and huge crocodiles will wander in and get into trouble and people will be like

“Aw, poor guy! I saw this guy on animal planet. We need to help him learn how to live with humans!”

Instead of just having it shot.

I think people will be learning to live with wild animals and incoporate them into daily life instead of having a big wall of seperation. Cities will be more like ultra modern zoos, flocks of birds flying around, nesting, herds of deer eating from gardens on peoples lawns, from special gardens they planted there for the deer to eat at.

Huge canals running through cities, filled with fish, that people can eat. Plus special wildlife parks that are like huge gardens that people have created to make the most intensive habitat possible, where animals hand humans forage side by side. Public orchards all over the place run by communities that anyone can come and pick the fruit, as long as you eat it all there in the orchard and don’t carry any away.

stuff like that.

So what would that mean if such a world were to end for them? Probably good things for all the people that aren’t sitting on top of pyramids cutting peoples hearts out.

I really do think the internet will persist and its also one of the most efficient uses of electricity. Heating your home with electricity for example is horribly inefficient and wasteful.

To me that would be the best of both worlds. To be really “Green” in terms of energy consumption but still have the internet.

Maybe I and mine are just big energy consumers/wasters? Anyone else see this?

Yeah, its sort of ironic that stopping the over-consumption is seen as such a “progressive” cause when so many of the solutions are actually just a return to more old fashioned ways of living.

I am walking along a crumbling concrete drainage ditch. Green fields stretch away to either side. To my left, in the far distance, is a forest.

The air is full of birds, big white birds of a kind I’ve never seen before, like swans but with shorter necks. One of them, to my left, is being ridden by a squirrel!

Far ahead of me I see a bird flying and I think, “the world isn’t doing so bad. There are so many living creatures in it.”

There’s a clear awareness of what’s desirable everyday fare and what’s luxury

This is something that is missing today I beleive, true thought towards conservation. Although people today talk conservation, the fact is that more computers, light switches and televisions are left on, AC’s running, heaters running, etc, etc. When I was a kid my dad would yell at us to turn of lights when we left a room, or turn of the TV if it wasn’t being watched, close the door yer letting heat out…you know, cranky bastard god love him…so did my friends dads - today my house usually has 2 or 3 computers on, 2 or 3 tv’s on, washing machine running, dishwasher running…I am trying to get myself and my kids to do better…penny saved is a penny earned and all that, but it is true. Maybe I and mine are just big energy consumers/wasters? Anyone else see this?

Actually this vision sounds much like the novel ‘Always Coming Home’ by Ursula Le Guin, except with fewer condos. People live a more traditional life in villages but still have something akin to the internet for information/connection.

What else? I see it as a big mix of old and new elements, all existing simultaneously. Rickshaws and little markets and wagons and hyper vehicles and neuroplexic malls and carpet stores etc. Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue.

This isn’t at all what I was looking for but I like it.