13 Reader Responses

1. Ted Heistman Says:
   March 3rd, 2008 at 9:44 am

   OK…I know you have traded your /tinfoil gnostic hat in for now and are a folk singer….(Btw, I got your tape and really liked te art about THE ELK) but……

   Gloria Steinem was dead….And now she is back to life again!!!!!! I am dead serious!!!! Its happened to me!!! I saw it on the news. She was dead. They had documetaryabout her on 60 minutes. how her husband died and then not too long afterwards she had a remission of cancer that rapidly came back and she died.

   Now she is a pundit in the Hillary Campaign. There are serious ramifications about this. I entered a paralell universe at some point where radical feminism is not dead or somthing…..I don’t know……but anyway I just had to post this on here. To me this is a lot bigger than that Jack Palance dude, I mean what did he ever do besides host “That’s incredible?”

2. Ted Heistman Says:
   March 3rd, 2008 at 9:52 am

   Holy shit!!!!!! Look what came up on google:

   http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Gloria+Steinem+died

3. Julia Says:
   March 3rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm

   Jack Palance hosted That’s Incredible!? I think you’re thinking about a tall blond guy who’s name I can’t remember and who never worked again as far as I can tell. Jack Palance was famous in early movies as a villian in Westerns. He became famous again in old age like Leslie Neilsen (Police Squad). Neilsen is still alive in my universe.

   I don’t remember Steinem dying or her being married to a cancer victim but I believe your recollection of the event. Did the 60 minutes episode talk about her having been married to a foreign man for immigration purposes? That’s the only thing I remember about a marriage of her’s. Weird things are bubbling up in my memory but I don’t know if it’s noteworthy or the power of suggestion.

4. Big Elk Says:
   March 3rd, 2008 at 8:01 pm

   I don’t have any associations or background memories of Gloria Steinem one way or another, but I do love this topic. It’s a perennial favorite, whatever other stuff I’m into at the time being…

5. Ted Heistman Says:
   March 3rd, 2008 at 8:49 pm

   Yeah, I figured that was how you felt, so I posted it here even though its off topic. I would have e-mailed you but hoped others had had the same thing happen to them.

   I have quite a few specific memories of this. First of all my interest in Gloria Steinem is through her connection to the CIA. This was uncovered by conspiracy types, but I think its actually legit. Apparently the PTB likes feminisim because it puts 2X as many income tax payers from each household, into the work force and weakens the family structure and also causes children to leave their homes and be indoctrinated through public school sooner. So all these big endowments have been behind feminism.

   So I knew all this, but then she died. So I brought it up once while talking to some people and remembered thinking “maybe this isn’t so relevant any more since Gloria Stienem is dead now.” Because really, I don’t like dishonoring the dead. Plus, the 60 minutes piece was sympathetic and I think it humanized her in my eyes, seeing her fall in love with a guy and have him die of cancer soon after. Then she died. So my view was, yes, the CIA is causing all this pain in the American family in order to weaken democracy, but all these “bad guys” are wounded people too.

   So that was my view on the matter, and then this morning on MSNBC she was quoted in an op-edpiece she wrote recently about Barak and Hillary in regards to historical suffrage, black men getting the vote before all women did. Her spin seemed to be that voting for Hillary is more “progressive” because of that.

   Then I was like “what the hell?” can you see why this is so strange to me having thought so much about this woman?

   The ramification of this for me is that in some alternative universe where Gloria Steinem is dead, Bush probably blew up the World or somthing, so this universe requires Hillary to get in the White house for some reason. So that is where Steinem comes in.

6. Ted Heistman Says:
   March 3rd, 2008 at 9:01 pm

   I think Hillary is about as scary a person as your conception of the “Governator” incedentally. I think Hillary was to Bill Clinton as Karl Rove and Cheney were to Bush. She was the mastermind behind the Clinton presidency.

   I think if she gets elected it will wake people up, and cause them to pay attention to the way the power structure in America operates. It will wake people up and cause them to look past superficial things like race and gender.

   I think she will get nominated, becase I think if it she had to claw Barak’s eyes out with her bare hands in order to beat him she would.

7. Big Elk Says:
   March 3rd, 2008 at 9:20 pm

   I think if she gets elected it will wake people up, and cause them to pay attention to the way the power structure in America operates.

   Ha! That’s like saying that Bush II getting elected after Bush I will wake people up!

   FYI: the reason they call her “Hillary” is because they want you to immediately think “woman” instead of “Clinton”

8. Julia Says:
   March 3rd, 2008 at 9:42 pm

   Hi Ted. I pretty much agree with your political slant. Although as a woman I’m grateful for the success of the movement it’s success was absolutely not based in any grass roots efforts. The more details you give the more I believe in something weird (not the first time for that). What your talking about is living, true, information.

   I have an emotional memory of something like ’so this is how it ends’ associated with Steinem but not an intellectual memory of any special event. I remember Bella Abzug’s death clearly though so I think I attached this emotional memory to the intellectual memory which suppressed whatever caused the emotion to be formed. I already had the answer so I didn’t go looking for another one.

   Something like this has happened to me in dreams that came true. They are built out of emotion and are very powerful. The event shown in dream form has to happen with a certain emotional intensity in order to fulfill the dream. If it isn’t that big of a deal similar events will happen until a big emotional charge is disapated.

   Maybe the information you got (Death of Feminism)was meant for you to go the place mentally where you could forgive or identify with your enemy (destruction of family etc.) in order to achieve a certain outcome or mindset in you using commonly used tools (TV news reports) that tend to be ignored or ridiculed. It was totally effective because you never suspected it’s purpose.

   But, I still don’t know what this stuff is all about.

9. Ted Heistman Says:
   March 3rd, 2008 at 10:38 pm

   Tim,

   This is the reality, you are far more sophisticated than most people. Its a very simple narrative, this election. It goes like this-

   Rich old white men(Bush)=bad. That was the part of the narrative Bush established.

   Now the democratic primary creates a double bind. Because America is a dysfunctional family composed of people with borderline personality disorder. people with borderline personality disorder continually create double binds. The media underscores this point in how they cover the election.

   So the simplistic algebra goes like this, If rich old white men are bad, than which alternative is better? A yoing black man or an old white woman? Hmmmm. Lets give this serious thought, this is so much more challenging han voting on American idol.

   But the reality is that gender and sex really don’t matter in the long run. People need to grow in their discernment. The public is really functioning at a low level. The narrative is that gender and race are rally really important distinctions that will make a big difference. But really

   A double bind in a way is kind of like a paradox, though, if you react to it differently and actually begin to think. It can bring peoples tinking to a higher level of order.

   So whoever gets elected Barak or Hilary, will represent the same corrupt interests as Bush, America will continue down Hill, and finally the public will get beyone classifications like party affiliation, race and gender and make informed choices and take back their soverignty.

10. Big Elk Says:
    March 3rd, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Totally Ted, especially this!

    People need to grow in their discernment.

    Now, I need to get my ass to sleep. Spent all day watching dogs, get a nice little dinner for myself and come home and find two fucking american bulldogs fighting like crazy next door to my damned house. Two much!

11. Ted Heistman Says:
    March 3rd, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Julia,

    yeah, I think part of this paralell universe thing relates directly to me and my relationship with feminism. Maybe I thought i was past it and so then Gloria Steinem died, but then later I dredged it up again and so now she cameback to life.

    My concusion on the matter is that the traditional family is for the most part good, but that it can be stifling to individual spiritual development. Life is messy.

    But I think wrestling through these issues, you know, roles vs. individual identity, is best done by people who are strong sovereign indivduals capable of self determnination.

    Hilary and her ilk’s idea is that role of women in traditional family=bad, government becoming everyones mommy instead=Good.

    its doomed to failure. The election is about people wanting the wrong things and getting them and then suffering the consequences.

    What we need to do is own are own shit and not rely on a big white daddy to protect us, nor an “Evita” nor even a Martin Luther King impersonator.

12. Ted Heistman Says:
    March 3rd, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    But That was overly harsh on Barak. Even if insincere, if people respnd to his message of self empowerment, than that speaks well of people.

13. alistair Says:
    March 4th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    firstly, i don`t think bush was the one who invented the bad white dude image. that would be the feminists looking to put a wedge in the nuclear family image way back in the `50s and early `60s.

    replacing the real, live woman with government as mother is a hallmark of socialism. and hillary is a card carrying member of that whizz-bang group of beard-pullers and body-snatchers.

    people tar bush with the secret society brush, but clinton had her own little cabal going with all the chickens with “h” embroidered on thier sweaters.

    creepy bitch.

    regarding feminists like stienem, she can`t hold a candle to this shut down harpie….

    http://www.philosophypages.com/ph/mack.htm

    looking to more and more convoluted legal positions to hobble normal functioning society with human rights attacks on men.

    it`s no wonder people actually believe that men and women are different and can`t get along.

    in many ways mackinnon is the hand up the ass of puppets like stienem and dworkin (love that name.) , giving them things to say and do.