she stole a bunch of money from her supporters/followers and left the country.

She did? I haven’t read anything about her since she published her book.

Ya, good point.

I am interested in the possibilities of non-hierarchical groups primarily for esoteric pursuits. Even within those types of groups I think temporary hierarchies would need to happen in order to further the goals of the group.

I agree about hierarchies. Not all hierarchies involve coercion and exploitation.

I remember reading something on your site a long time about about the liberating and manifesting currents along the chakra centers. I think you are describing them in action here.

Do you think that some of the weird stuff people come out with as supposed ‘facts’ are personal images, symbols, ways of viewing the universe, that could be useful to the person concerned but just sound daft when presented as anything more?

I think that when you’re dealing with that level of reality, where you’re trying to make sense of consciousness/souls/energy (and Gurdjieff!) you have to be really careful to realize that you are engaged in building a kind of alchemical ladder to heaven. These are ladders of thought/symbols/ideas that lead to the philosopher’s stone/elixir of life/enlightenment/whatever, but when you get there, you have realize that the ladder isn’t really important and throw it away. Just because a system is useful for you when searching for the truth, it doesn’t mean that that system is the truth…

Cassiopaea is one of those that I have found one must do alot of sifting, but there is some very good stuff there, at least for me.

I agree. I don’t know what she started out to do but I think she lost her mind along the way.

I prefer working towards the environment and potential of groups.

Non-hierarchical groups, or as close to that condition as possible.

Laura is a criminal cult leader but check out “Michael Topper” that is who she stole most of her ideas from.

I have found lots of good info from sources that I find I have to sift through to get to that I find helpful. Cassiopaea is one of those that I have found one must do alot of sifting, but there is some very good stuff there, at least for me. I don’t know about the criminality or cult leadership status of the group’s leader and I don’t really care.

I find the concept of co-linear groups as very intriguing. Sort of the same idea as Bey’s Temporary Autonomous Zones. They offer potential for “safe” havens of idea exchange and work on those ideas with friends that “have your back”, sort of like the idea that Tim was talking about with the backstage working group. I don’t know about the Cass group leader’s criminality or cult leader status, and I don’t care.

Topper is very interesting and I think has some good stuff. He is a loner type and I prefer working towards the environment and potential of groups.

Pulling people down into materiality and making them more and more incorporated into machine intelligence.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/15/bio.tech/index.html
Scientists: Humans and machines will merge in future - CNN.com

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“Whereas self-serving beings naturally form hierarchies with the strongest and most ruthless at the top, service to others beings would form networks. In the words of the Cassiopaeans, the concept of networking is a foretaste of 4th density STO.

To bring the idea into context, we can start with Gurdjieff’s definition of a group: In a group, what is gained by one is gained by all and what is lost by one is lost by all. A group in this sense can only exist within the context of esoteric work. Such a group is free from disagreement not because of a command structure but because the same truths are seen by all. See the article on Esoteric, Mesoteric and Exoteric circles for more.

We can distinguish two types of group effects: The first is where the group descends to the level of the lowest common denominator, as happens in lynch mobs and other cases of mass hysteria. We can envision a situation where the whole group would rise to the sum total of the understandings and capacities of all members. The latter happens to a small degree in teams displaying good synergy. However, the imperfect quality of human communication and friction coming from personality dampens these effects and usually limits their scope to a well-practised area such as playing a team sport or playing in an orchestra.

The hope of esoteric work is to make these effects greater and more comprehensive. Achieving this is sometimes called the communion of saints. This goes beyond a social phenomenon and involves sharing the ’substance of knowledge’ or ‘higher hydrogens’ generated in group work.

In general we can say that a group amplifies whatever is a consistently shared and applied principle in the group’s work. This contains a catch: We often find, specially on the Internet, New Age groups that are in a sense ‘open’ but where the exchange degenerates if not into a shouting match then into a more subtle feeding or pleading or manipulating contest. It seems that internal work for purifying the signal and making the self first clear is a prerequisite for a group to amplify anything but subjectivity. For mixed, predominantly self-serving entities such as present day humans, indiscriminate sharing of everything simply makes noise. A great deal of attention is required for the participants to overcome first themselves and then act in a manner approximating STO oriented beings, thus not according to their default impulses. Again, determining what constitutes service to others in which case is its own question but a certain skill or sense for this can form via practice.

In practice, a network does not imply the interchangeability of all members. This is not achievable nor is it the goal. Having reached a similar level of development does not imply identity of personality or group think but does imply striving for seeing the same understandings. A group can involve specialization and contain teachers and students but is by definition a voluntary structure and does not exist for the benefit of any single member or subgroup. Instead, such a group may exist for performing a specific esoteric task, as may be required by the time and context.

The concept of giving back is emphasized by the 4th Way. Since the principle of service to others represents balance through the idea of serving self through serving others, this principle requires reciprocity in order to work. Balance cannot be legislated but it may occur naturally if the participants share the same direction, i.e. are collinear.

For 4th density harvestability, a network offers distinct advantages over working alone. The members can complete each other even though their own vibrational purity were not perfect. For graduating to 4th density STS, the aspirants must generally work alone since the very idea of service to self sees sharing as generally undesirable. ”

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=527&lsel=N

The “deity” behind it is ahriman I am really convinced of that. Pulling people down into materiality and making them more and more incorporated into machine intelligence.

I am ambivalent about some things like the internet but I will never wear a blue tooth or an ipod. I hate my cell phone too but don’t use it much.

I was talking with a friend the other day, she had taken a road trip and I had commented on how the particular route she had taken is beautiful.

She got a kind of nervous look, and she commented on how it was scary because part of the trip had no cell phone reception. I got the impression that she would have rather not taken the trip so as not to risk the part that was incommunicado. I then asked her if she used to drive through relatively uninhabited areas, pre cell-phone, without fear. She had a hard time recalling, but vaguely reckoned that she did, and her husband had to prompt her to remember that she had frequently done so. So on top of this gradual decent into tech dependency she has a hard time remembering the situation before mobile communications tech.

This dovetails perfectly with the Verizon wireless ads that equate areas of lack of cell phone signal with scenes from horror movies. Seems like some sort of feedback reinforcing a meme in a tightening inward spiral.

Its really interesting how these are presented. They emphasize human vulnerability and present the computer as being vastly more efficient. In one commercial they have this “alpha male” type blowhard guy giving directions to a female co-worker and the computer keeps beating the guy to the punch giving the same directions faster.

I guess the point is that human intelligence is rendered superfulous. But really reliance on these computers just makes people stupider. The blow hard guy is actually not a blow hard he’s just relying on his human brain.

About the military, Most people are asleep, so this imprinting stuff works well on most people. But if you are even half awake it has the opposite effect it acts like avaccine against manipulation.

Even these commercials I am talking about reach most people in a sleep like state of boob tube day dreaming.

The “deity” behind it is ahriman I am really convinced of that. Pulling people down into materiality and making them more and more incorporated into machine intelligence.

I am ambivalent about some things like the internet but I will never wear a blue tooth or an ipod. I hate my cell phone too but don’t use it much.

The thing is though a lot of these technologies are immitating latent psychic abilities people already have that are lying dormant.