We need computers with emotional intelligence, not artificial intelligence. As the Thomas theorem states, if we perceive computers as having emotional intelligence, we’re more likely to forgive them when their AI artificial intelligence fails us. Right now companies seem not to be noticing that using people like robots, treating people like robots and making us interact with faulty automated systems is only driving us crazy. Stop making automated calls to people’s houses which you can’t respond to or call back. It is a shady business practice.
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I think computers with emotional intelligence would be more distasteful. What’s so bad about real life? Connecting with physical beings? Smell, taste, touch, feel?
You know like Elk?
What’s the goal? To have an artificial reality as clever at the one in the “Matrix” movie? While we all lie in pods like slugs? only less alive?
I think you have shamanic gifts. I think you are empathic. But, I think machine intelligence is a cold dark unfathomable void. It wants to trap our being to power itself. We are an energy resource.
Anyway, you have a lot of deep insights into it, but I think you will eventually find it is evil.
But you might be able to have fun with it. I just wonder whose “team” you will end up on? I like the idea of a backlash against machine intelligence. Hackers learning about it in order to do battle with it to destroy it. I like the idea of viewing machines mimicking reality as a moral outrage, as blasphemy against the spirit of life.
I’m with Neo.
Machine intelligence is an outgrowth of human intelligence. Human intelligence is an outgrowth of nature. All of them are morally neutral.
Those are all humanity’s natural methods of interacting with the world. A computer which would really serve human needs would make effective use of all of them.
So you are a materialist now? You think human intelligence is the naturalistic outgrowth of animal intelligence which originates in what? Blind chance? There are no intelligent forces preceding human intelligence?
What are human needs?
Well anyway, my assumption is that humans are peons and that there are intelligences in the universe much more ancient and intelligent than we are. We may think we are being really really smart and inventing all this stuff but its more like we are a vehicle, a medium for other beings to use to create.
Its like we are beings that live on the Earth. We have our life in the Earth. We can shape our environment. There are beings that have their life in us. To them we are clay. We are their medium.
So to me its not that a bunch of really smart people came up with ideas to create all these machines. Its that mineral intelligence wanted to create a life for itself on our backs. Its parasitism. There are parasites in the animal kingdom that can take over the nervous system of other creatures and use them as a vehicle.
Rocks and minerals have an intelligence, but they seem really inert. In a natural landscape trees and animals cover the rocks. In a city rocks and metal and asphalt dominates the landscape and covers living things. Do you see what is happening? We are tools.
We aren’t creating life through AI etc. We are being parasitized by minerality.
A shaman, acts as a liason between the human world and all these other realms of intelligence. The task is to maintain balance. Things are all out of balance. That is why life is being destroyed.
To have the whole planet paved over with concrete and everyone plugged into an electronic grid captivated by a continual pixel light show and an alternative reality is not about elevating humanity.
Its the matrix. Can’t you see it?
Ted, I do think that the areas you are exploring (relating with nature rather than machines) are important and necessary, particularly given your own enjoyment of nature and animals. However, I think you are separating the realms too much. What Tim’s doing here is Shamanic work too, I think. It’s just that he is choosing to develop relationships with mineral intelligences rather than animal intelligences.
I think that seeking balance by forcing stability equals death. To tell someone not to explore an unknown area because it’s evil, that’s death (i.e. stopping of growth). But balance as equal growth in multiple areas is life and leads to joy.
RAW explained one time that the reason occultists become so paranoid of each other is that they develop their 3rd eye chakra, but fail to balance it with development of the heart chakra. They gain all this insight and psychic powers and whatnot, but they fail to have any love to back it up. The answer to this is not to stop developing your 3rd eye chakra, but to balance it out with some heart chakra work. And each of our reality tunnels are unbalanced in unique ways, so we require different paths to further balance-through-growth.
The difference between a parasitic relationship and a symbiotic relationship is the way the host and the parasite/symbiote relate. Avoiding the invading intelligence will leave you little say in the final establishing relationship (once we finish this period of cladogenesis we’re entering). Where would be if single celled life had pushed away from the ‘parasitic’ mitochondria?
If this is the Matrix, then we can’t stop the machines. We must work out a way to life happily with them. You say you’re with Neo, and that’s great, so am I. But don’t forget what happened to Neo at the end of the trilogy. He went down fighting the machines at their core.
The Matrix is just a movie somebody came up with to make a bunch of money. It’s time everybody stops living their lives according to it.
How the hell should I know?
So you’re saying you’re anti-human then?
It’s not *like* that we are that; we are - in actual fact - just that!
And you’re saying that to suggest that this is my hope of hopes…?
I actually just started work at a natural dog food store and tomorrow I have an interview at the zoo to work with goats, barnyard animals and the giraffes.
Goats are awesome…
Yeah I was watching that video recently. Its hilarious!