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	<title>Comments on: Autism Spectrum &#038; Compulsive Behavior</title>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2008/11/13/autism-spectrum-compulsive-behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-114834</link>
		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also reminds me of Tim's earlier mention of religion as a protection against god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also reminds me of Tim&#8217;s earlier mention of religion as a protection against god.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Elk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Elk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec, that's very interesting. The thing with the pigeons reminds me especially of cargo cults. 

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/11/04/cargo-cults-religion-ultraterrestrials/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec, that&#8217;s very interesting. The thing with the pigeons reminds me especially of cargo cults. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/11/04/cargo-cults-religion-ultraterrestrials/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/11/04/cargo-cults-religion-ultraterrestrials/'>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005...rgo-cults-religion-ultraterrestrials/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of something I recently read in &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_the_spell" rel="nofollow"&gt;Breaking the Spell&lt;/a&gt; by Daniel C. Dennett. Dennett suggests that the elaborate rituals of folk religion may have had their genesis in random reinforcement of behavior. To illustrate, he cites an example of "superstitious" behavior in pigeons while on a random schedule of reinforcement, as observed by B.F. Skinner:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Every so often, no matter what the pigeon was doing at the moment, a click and a food-pellet reward were delivered. Soon the pigeons put on this random schedule were doing elaborate "dances," bobbing and whirling and craning their necks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Imagine some primitive human who desires rain and attempts to solicit aid from the "rain god" by performing some act. It doesn't work. So he tries something else. That doesn't work either. Eventually, however, it actually does rain, at which point he might reflect, "Now what did I just do?" The next time he desires rain, he repeats what he just learned, but it doesn't work, so he varies it a bit, adding onto what he already has, figuring he missed a step or performed something incorrectly. Eventually, it rains. "Oh," he thinks, "it's right foot, left foot, right foot, jump, not right foot, left foot, right foot, crouch." The process continues, perhaps over years, even generations, gradually building an elaborate ritualized series of behaviors.

The trance part probably came later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of something I recently read in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_the_spell" rel="nofollow">Breaking the Spell</a> by Daniel C. Dennett. Dennett suggests that the elaborate rituals of folk religion may have had their genesis in random reinforcement of behavior. To illustrate, he cites an example of &#8220;superstitious&#8221; behavior in pigeons while on a random schedule of reinforcement, as observed by B.F. Skinner:</p>
<blockquote><p>Every so often, no matter what the pigeon was doing at the moment, a click and a food-pellet reward were delivered. Soon the pigeons put on this random schedule were doing elaborate &#8220;dances,&#8221; bobbing and whirling and craning their necks.</p></blockquote>
<p>Imagine some primitive human who desires rain and attempts to solicit aid from the &#8220;rain god&#8221; by performing some act. It doesn&#8217;t work. So he tries something else. That doesn&#8217;t work either. Eventually, however, it actually does rain, at which point he might reflect, &#8220;Now what did I just do?&#8221; The next time he desires rain, he repeats what he just learned, but it doesn&#8217;t work, so he varies it a bit, adding onto what he already has, figuring he missed a step or performed something incorrectly. Eventually, it rains. &#8220;Oh,&#8221; he thinks, &#8220;it&#8217;s right foot, left foot, right foot, jump, not right foot, left foot, right foot, crouch.&#8221; The process continues, perhaps over years, even generations, gradually building an elaborate ritualized series of behaviors.</p>
<p>The trance part probably came later.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm and OMG.  I just tried "twiddling" and it is actually very calming.  When alone, I could see where this would make someone appear "crazy" and unapproachable.  When in public or around friendly others, I can also see where this would make someone appear crazy and unapproachable.  Just make sure you do it when you're alone I guess!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm and OMG.  I just tried &#8220;twiddling&#8221; and it is actually very calming.  When alone, I could see where this would make someone appear &#8220;crazy&#8221; and unapproachable.  When in public or around friendly others, I can also see where this would make someone appear crazy and unapproachable.  Just make sure you do it when you&#8217;re alone I guess!</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get a feeling that this article might be of some relation, in as far as the connections between compulsive behaviors and neurological responses is concerned, but I can't quite figure out how at the moment  

&lt;a href="http://www.physorg.com/news145457965.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;
So I'll leave it up to you to read and decide.&lt;/a&gt;

No worries, it's not a long one. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get a feeling that this article might be of some relation, in as far as the connections between compulsive behaviors and neurological responses is concerned, but I can&#8217;t quite figure out how at the moment  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.physorg.com/news145457965.html" rel="nofollow"><br />
So I&#8217;ll leave it up to you to read and decide.</a></p>
<p>No worries, it&#8217;s not a long one. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Big Elk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Elk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypic_movement_disorder</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypic_movement_disorder" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypic_movement_disorder'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypic_movement_disorder</a></p>
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