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	<title>Comments on: Ted, Are These Two Songs Propaganda?</title>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2008/11/13/ted-are-these-two-songs-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-115059</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Julia.  You've given some good answers some of my questions.



&lt;blockquote&gt;This stuff is their sales pitch. They want you to know, but not too much. None of these interviewers ever ask questions that would help people undermine, expose or subvert these types of organizations. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly.  So:


&lt;blockquote&gt;Whatâ€™s the antidote?&lt;/blockquote&gt;


That's what I want to know.  And I think it's something we already have, if we can take the time to find it.  Instead of chasing things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Julia.  You&#8217;ve given some good answers some of my questions.</p>
<blockquote><p>This stuff is their sales pitch. They want you to know, but not too much. None of these interviewers ever ask questions that would help people undermine, expose or subvert these types of organizations. </p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly.  So:</p>
<blockquote><p>Whatâ€™s the antidote?</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s what I want to know.  And I think it&#8217;s something we already have, if we can take the time to find it.  Instead of chasing things.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only listened to one part of the series because I'm short on time right now but I have the same question for her as I have for many people who report on their involvement with these types of groups. Tell me exactly what you did and where. Then tell me how that affected your targets and what they could have done to spot you. Now tell what they can do to repair the damage. 

I believe she participated in the ritual sacrifice she describes and her description of it as a Sealing Ceremony has the ring of truth. So, what does that mean for me? Luciferian web sites I've been to don't seem to have a problem naming the demons they serve or the heritage of their belief system. The darkness she felt, what's it's name? Was it always in Rome? Is it from Austrailia or China or Iraq? 

I'm sure that there were hundreds of tourists and Roman commuters went about their daily business without noticing this darkness. What's the range of this demon? What's the antidote? Did something happen that they could've noticed if they had been aware of the signs? Put pictures of that stuff up on a web site just like you do pisctures of chemtrails and other signs of foul play. 

I'm a Christian so I pray to Jesus but I'm sure God provided a counter to this type of evil before the birth of Christ. You were in a group that targeted humanity for eons but you can't give me a hint as to what they're afraid of? It can't just be "awareness". 

I listen to this type of thing for nuggets of truth but it sort of becomes porn after a while. OK, you rape and torture a child until it becomes mind controlled. It's hinted that some of the children have supernatural powers and that they get this after being possessed which takes effect when their will has been destroyed by the rape and torture. But, you need the supernatural healing abilities first before so you can survive the rape and torture. 

"Plus, what powerful group is she aiding in telling this story? " 

The illuminati. Or the many groups that gain power and credibility by convincing you that they are the "real" illuminati. It's like a franchise. Some locations are run better than others and they each have their local menu depending on the country they are located in or their customer base. 

True or not people believe "they" are very powerful and directly effect your life apparently all it took was the murder of one child in a country across the ocean. This stuff is their sales pitch. They want you to know, but not too much. None of these interviewers ever ask questions that would help people undermine, expose or subvert these types of organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only listened to one part of the series because I&#8217;m short on time right now but I have the same question for her as I have for many people who report on their involvement with these types of groups. Tell me exactly what you did and where. Then tell me how that affected your targets and what they could have done to spot you. Now tell what they can do to repair the damage. </p>
<p>I believe she participated in the ritual sacrifice she describes and her description of it as a Sealing Ceremony has the ring of truth. So, what does that mean for me? Luciferian web sites I&#8217;ve been to don&#8217;t seem to have a problem naming the demons they serve or the heritage of their belief system. The darkness she felt, what&#8217;s it&#8217;s name? Was it always in Rome? Is it from Austrailia or China or Iraq? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that there were hundreds of tourists and Roman commuters went about their daily business without noticing this darkness. What&#8217;s the range of this demon? What&#8217;s the antidote? Did something happen that they could&#8217;ve noticed if they had been aware of the signs? Put pictures of that stuff up on a web site just like you do pisctures of chemtrails and other signs of foul play. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Christian so I pray to Jesus but I&#8217;m sure God provided a counter to this type of evil before the birth of Christ. You were in a group that targeted humanity for eons but you can&#8217;t give me a hint as to what they&#8217;re afraid of? It can&#8217;t just be &#8220;awareness&#8221;. </p>
<p>I listen to this type of thing for nuggets of truth but it sort of becomes porn after a while. OK, you rape and torture a child until it becomes mind controlled. It&#8217;s hinted that some of the children have supernatural powers and that they get this after being possessed which takes effect when their will has been destroyed by the rape and torture. But, you need the supernatural healing abilities first before so you can survive the rape and torture. </p>
<p>&#8220;Plus, what powerful group is she aiding in telling this story? &#8221; </p>
<p>The illuminati. Or the many groups that gain power and credibility by convincing you that they are the &#8220;real&#8221; illuminati. It&#8217;s like a franchise. Some locations are run better than others and they each have their local menu depending on the country they are located in or their customer base. </p>
<p>True or not people believe &#8220;they&#8221; are very powerful and directly effect your life apparently all it took was the murder of one child in a country across the ocean. This stuff is their sales pitch. They want you to know, but not too much. None of these interviewers ever ask questions that would help people undermine, expose or subvert these types of organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus, what powerful group is she aiding in telling this story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus, what powerful group is she aiding in telling this story?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, 

Let me ask you a question. Is this propaganda:

&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-DkS-XOOM&#38;feature=related" rel="nofollow"&gt;Svali interview part 1 of 9&lt;/a&gt;

To me, no. 

Here are some factors to consider. She is anonymous. Not making money. She says all these seemingly sensationalistic things but in a very low key matter of fact way. 

I think she is simply telling the truth as she knows it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, </p>
<p>Let me ask you a question. Is this propaganda:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-DkS-XOOM&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">Svali interview part 1 of 9</a></p>
<p>To me, no. </p>
<p>Here are some factors to consider. She is anonymous. Not making money. She says all these seemingly sensationalistic things but in a very low key matter of fact way. </p>
<p>I think she is simply telling the truth as she knows it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This in formation is no more profound than Jesus being tempted with all the Kingdoms of the World. Its the same now as it was then. The Kingdoms of the World are controlled by the same forces. 

When I talk about the illuminat I am just talking about the rubber meeting the road. The interface of a theological doctrine with the reality. 

You know like the CIA selling drugs and weapons to fund their terror campaigns. . Its seems very sensible to me. 

How else do you maintain power through doing evil? 

It all eventually comes down to real actions that real people do everyday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This in formation is no more profound than Jesus being tempted with all the Kingdoms of the World. Its the same now as it was then. The Kingdoms of the World are controlled by the same forces. </p>
<p>When I talk about the illuminat I am just talking about the rubber meeting the road. The interface of a theological doctrine with the reality. </p>
<p>You know like the CIA selling drugs and weapons to fund their terror campaigns. . Its seems very sensible to me. </p>
<p>How else do you maintain power through doing evil? </p>
<p>It all eventually comes down to real actions that real people do everyday.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm in a library and I don't have headphones. But these appear pretty trivial at first glance. I would just say Art is best when its not obviously promoting a political point of view. But the point of view is always there. 

Well if you want to know, here is my point of view: 

We are here on Earth having a human experience in order to learn. We are at school. There is a game going on that we can watch and also participate in. 

The advanced players, people with self mastery, people with discernment, have split up into two teams. 

One team, basically is heartless. They decided they didn't want to use their Heart. Because Love is this Unifying force that connects everything in the Universe together and ties it to God. So in a way you aren't really a free agent from their perspective if you love. Because then you are just doing God's will by loving and not your own thing. 


So the One team, is basically headed up by this one Guy that doesn't like that Love aspect. Also  he  doesn't like creation. He thinks its a big mess. It scares him. 

It is a big mess, there is a lot of diversity and seperation and chaos, but love can tie it all together. But if you take love out of the equation, then its unbearable, the amount of confusion.  So his goal is to bring all of creation under his control, turn it into something easy to predict and manipulate, like a machine. 

So anyway Jesus was tempted by this Guy, the heartless guy. So, to be tempted you have to know what he's about. You have to understand what he is inviting you to do. 

I feel like I know. I feel like I was sufficiently tempted enough to understand what all evil entails. 

So This allows me to see what the other team is up to. And I am not talking about airy fair high philosophy stuff. I am talking about actual moves. Big drastic moves I see taking place. Like the controlled demolition of the economy. 

Controlled demolition. That is the modus operandi. Make it look chaotic, make people afraid and then they will choose the solution you offer. 

I am sorry for being petulant with you. I guess what it is is that at one point you were writing more about spiritual things, while I was in kind of a dark period. So I assumed somehow you were more spiritually advanced in your understanding than me.  So anyway now I am firmly trying to be on the loving team and it seems like you don't get some of this stuff. I was wondering if you really don't get it. 

Maybe I sound jerky saying that too but I don't mean to. 

But anyway, if I get this stuff, I guess I should take on some type of leadership position. I  am not talking about commenting on your blog. 

Its a pattern here that is able to be predicted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in a library and I don&#8217;t have headphones. But these appear pretty trivial at first glance. I would just say Art is best when its not obviously promoting a political point of view. But the point of view is always there. </p>
<p>Well if you want to know, here is my point of view: </p>
<p>We are here on Earth having a human experience in order to learn. We are at school. There is a game going on that we can watch and also participate in. </p>
<p>The advanced players, people with self mastery, people with discernment, have split up into two teams. </p>
<p>One team, basically is heartless. They decided they didn&#8217;t want to use their Heart. Because Love is this Unifying force that connects everything in the Universe together and ties it to God. So in a way you aren&#8217;t really a free agent from their perspective if you love. Because then you are just doing God&#8217;s will by loving and not your own thing. </p>
<p>So the One team, is basically headed up by this one Guy that doesn&#8217;t like that Love aspect. Also  he  doesn&#8217;t like creation. He thinks its a big mess. It scares him. </p>
<p>It is a big mess, there is a lot of diversity and seperation and chaos, but love can tie it all together. But if you take love out of the equation, then its unbearable, the amount of confusion.  So his goal is to bring all of creation under his control, turn it into something easy to predict and manipulate, like a machine. </p>
<p>So anyway Jesus was tempted by this Guy, the heartless guy. So, to be tempted you have to know what he&#8217;s about. You have to understand what he is inviting you to do. </p>
<p>I feel like I know. I feel like I was sufficiently tempted enough to understand what all evil entails. </p>
<p>So This allows me to see what the other team is up to. And I am not talking about airy fair high philosophy stuff. I am talking about actual moves. Big drastic moves I see taking place. Like the controlled demolition of the economy. </p>
<p>Controlled demolition. That is the modus operandi. Make it look chaotic, make people afraid and then they will choose the solution you offer. </p>
<p>I am sorry for being petulant with you. I guess what it is is that at one point you were writing more about spiritual things, while I was in kind of a dark period. So I assumed somehow you were more spiritually advanced in your understanding than me.  So anyway now I am firmly trying to be on the loving team and it seems like you don&#8217;t get some of this stuff. I was wondering if you really don&#8217;t get it. </p>
<p>Maybe I sound jerky saying that too but I don&#8217;t mean to. </p>
<p>But anyway, if I get this stuff, I guess I should take on some type of leadership position. I  am not talking about commenting on your blog. </p>
<p>Its a pattern here that is able to be predicted.</p>
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