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		<title>By: Justin Boland</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2008/12/05/stoner-rebel-robin-hood-character-marketing-archetype/comment-page-1/#comment-119529</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Boland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can think of a few examples off-hand -- there was a really weird car commercial about these creatures that eat humans....AHHH YES:

http://tinyurl.com/6bae4a

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can think of a few examples off-hand &#8212; there was a really weird car commercial about these creatures that eat humans&#8230;.AHHH YES:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/6bae4a" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://tinyurl.com/6bae4a'>http://tinyurl.com/6bae4a</a></p>
<p>Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: US Romantic</title>
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		<dc:creator>US Romantic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a pretty good point. I don't think I'm the only one in the world to have "unlocked" these "marketing secrets" - which is why I want to warn people about ratcheting up their rhetoric...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a pretty good point. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m the only one in the world to have &#8220;unlocked&#8221; these &#8220;marketing secrets&#8221; - which is why I want to warn people about ratcheting up their rhetoric&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Obviously, no marketer in their right mind nowadays is going to try and turn that kind of aspect of the counter-culture into an advertising scheme. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
They turned it into a presidential campaign when Sarah Palin took off. A few more months of her pushing those buttons and there would have been race riots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Obviously, no marketer in their right mind nowadays is going to try and turn that kind of aspect of the counter-culture into an advertising scheme. </p></blockquote>
<p>They turned it into a presidential campaign when Sarah Palin took off. A few more months of her pushing those buttons and there would have been race riots.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooohh. Sexy bowhunter. Yum, yum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooohh. Sexy bowhunter. Yum, yum.</p>
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		<title>By: Seeking Skype Alternative - [tmbchr]â„¢</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seeking Skype Alternative - [tmbchr]â„¢</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m looking for a Skype alternative (which isn&#8217;t owned by Google) which will let me take calls over a wifi connection through my laptop. I&#8217;d prefer a voicemail option, but would be will to consider one where someone pages a unique number and then I call them back FOR FREE (preferably) through my awesome, easy to use, well-designed open-source unified communications software. Does such a service even exist? Why oh why won&#8217;t any advertisers help me find the products I want!!?? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m looking for a Skype alternative (which isn&#8217;t owned by Google) which will let me take calls over a wifi connection through my laptop. I&#8217;d prefer a voicemail option, but would be will to consider one where someone pages a unique number and then I call them back FOR FREE (preferably) through my awesome, easy to use, well-designed open-source unified communications software. Does such a service even exist? Why oh why won&#8217;t any advertisers help me find the products I want!!?? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: US Romantic</title>
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		<dc:creator>US Romantic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The basic similarity between the various instances of the human entity is also what leads me to believe that we may be able to find, revive or invent some kind of primal root language which would allow us to express ourselves fully, to understand and to be understood on all lives and thereby enable us to unify the patterns of our lives with one another, and with the economic and ecological systems which support our lives. &lt;em&gt;Mutual survival, mutual benefit, shared celebration of Life and Reality.&lt;/em&gt;&#8482;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The basic similarity between the various instances of the human entity is also what leads me to believe that we may be able to find, revive or invent some kind of primal root language which would allow us to express ourselves fully, to understand and to be understood on all lives and thereby enable us to unify the patterns of our lives with one another, and with the economic and ecological systems which support our lives. <em>Mutual survival, mutual benefit, shared celebration of Life and Reality.</em>&trade;</p>
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		<title>By: US Romantic</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2008/12/05/stoner-rebel-robin-hood-character-marketing-archetype/comment-page-1/#comment-118902</link>
		<dc:creator>US Romantic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that's something I started realizing at some point over the past year: that we're really not that different on a fundamental level, despite behavioral appearances which get overblown by our own fears and insecurities. If we can overlook those and look at the patterns our lives all seem to spontaneously share, we'll be able to capitalize off the "collective intelligence" of many individual lives lead in some sort of isolated alienated state: where we've had noone to compare notes to to realize that there are others like us, and that amongst all of us we contain great collective wisdom and talent, enough - at the very least - to inspire somebody out there to live differently by choice, and not as a result of being lead around by lazy marketers playing to antiquated no-longer-relevant fears and other monkey bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s something I started realizing at some point over the past year: that we&#8217;re really not that different on a fundamental level, despite behavioral appearances which get overblown by our own fears and insecurities. If we can overlook those and look at the patterns our lives all seem to spontaneously share, we&#8217;ll be able to capitalize off the &#8220;collective intelligence&#8221; of many individual lives lead in some sort of isolated alienated state: where we&#8217;ve had noone to compare notes to to realize that there are others like us, and that amongst all of us we contain great collective wisdom and talent, enough - at the very least - to inspire somebody out there to live differently by choice, and not as a result of being lead around by lazy marketers playing to antiquated no-longer-relevant fears and other monkey bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Boland</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2008/12/05/stoner-rebel-robin-hood-character-marketing-archetype/comment-page-1/#comment-118874</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Boland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I "met" a fascinating character over at the Rigorous Intuition forum -- really one of the most diverse/intelligent "conspiracy" communities I ever found -- who's main contention was "Keyword Hijacking."  He'd done a very detailed (and mostly quite astute/factually true) background study into the early history of US media companies and their ties to CIA, mostly through documented channels like MOCKINGBIRD. 

He took it a good deal further, saying that Disney was/is basically "CIA For Kids" and they're regularly "innoculating" against covered-up state crimes by controlling the narrative -- after all, if you're trying to explain about ML-ULTRA and everyone in the room is saying "Isn't that a movie, though?" then someone in the Intel community has done his job, right?

Personally, I come away feeling that he's a victim of his own pattern recognition.  &lt;i&gt;Lazy dumbfuck screenwriters&lt;/i&gt; account for more repeating themes, names and locations than any conspiracy could hope to conspire. 

Also, one of the really remarkable things about human archetypes: THERE'S NOT VERY MANY OF THEM. We all lead fundamentally the same lives, from the iPod to the !Kung.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I &#8220;met&#8221; a fascinating character over at the Rigorous Intuition forum &#8212; really one of the most diverse/intelligent &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; communities I ever found &#8212; who&#8217;s main contention was &#8220;Keyword Hijacking.&#8221;  He&#8217;d done a very detailed (and mostly quite astute/factually true) background study into the early history of US media companies and their ties to CIA, mostly through documented channels like MOCKINGBIRD. </p>
<p>He took it a good deal further, saying that Disney was/is basically &#8220;CIA For Kids&#8221; and they&#8217;re regularly &#8220;innoculating&#8221; against covered-up state crimes by controlling the narrative &#8212; after all, if you&#8217;re trying to explain about ML-ULTRA and everyone in the room is saying &#8220;Isn&#8217;t that a movie, though?&#8221; then someone in the Intel community has done his job, right?</p>
<p>Personally, I come away feeling that he&#8217;s a victim of his own pattern recognition.  <i>Lazy dumbfuck screenwriters</i> account for more repeating themes, names and locations than any conspiracy could hope to conspire. </p>
<p>Also, one of the really remarkable things about human archetypes: THERE&#8217;S NOT VERY MANY OF THEM. We all lead fundamentally the same lives, from the iPod to the !Kung.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Boland</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2008/12/05/stoner-rebel-robin-hood-character-marketing-archetype/comment-page-1/#comment-118867</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Boland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we should be grateful for the ever-petty human ego, huh?  If it wasn't for back-stabbing, self-aggrandizing, and the endless determination to Be The Leader, those poodles might get their act together enough to be dangerous...

...or at least effective marketers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we should be grateful for the ever-petty human ego, huh?  If it wasn&#8217;t for back-stabbing, self-aggrandizing, and the endless determination to Be The Leader, those poodles might get their act together enough to be dangerous&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;or at least effective marketers.</p>
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		<title>By: US Romantic</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2008/12/05/stoner-rebel-robin-hood-character-marketing-archetype/comment-page-1/#comment-118821</link>
		<dc:creator>US Romantic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Instead, they mostly settle for trying anything, watching each other obsessively, and mostly replicating whatever worked in the past 30 days.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hilariously true if reading marketing blogs is any indication!

&lt;blockquote&gt;Fortunately, thereâ€™s no high-level co-ordination going, because if they co-operated instead of com-peting, they could stage manage to procession/turnover of the Archetypes to great effect.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If there were, it would look something like Changing Images of Man, is what I've always imagined, but updated Ken Wilber Spiral Dynamics NWO style and applied through multi-contextual PR avenues... But even that type of shits GROSSLY EXAGGERATED in terms of its effectiveness in driving mass behavioral patterns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Instead, they mostly settle for trying anything, watching each other obsessively, and mostly replicating whatever worked in the past 30 days.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hilariously true if reading marketing blogs is any indication!</p>
<blockquote><p>Fortunately, thereâ€™s no high-level co-ordination going, because if they co-operated instead of com-peting, they could stage manage to procession/turnover of the Archetypes to great effect.</p></blockquote>
<p>If there were, it would look something like Changing Images of Man, is what I&#8217;ve always imagined, but updated Ken Wilber Spiral Dynamics NWO style and applied through multi-contextual PR avenues&#8230; But even that type of shits GROSSLY EXAGGERATED in terms of its effectiveness in driving mass behavioral patterns.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Boland</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2008/12/05/stoner-rebel-robin-hood-character-marketing-archetype/comment-page-1/#comment-118816</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Boland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those typos are going to drive me fucking crazy, I need to hire a comment editor on Craiglist or something. Damn it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those typos are going to drive me fucking crazy, I need to hire a comment editor on Craiglist or something. Damn it.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Boland</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2008/12/05/stoner-rebel-robin-hood-character-marketing-archetype/comment-page-1/#comment-118814</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Boland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad that marketers are such venal little herd animals.

The recent emergence of this archetype/trend happened randomly, like they all do, via a "critical mass" selection process.  After all, EVERY niche lifestyle, real or manufactured, is on their map and part of their toolkit.  Fortunately, there's no high-level co-ordination going, because if they co-operated instead of com-peting, they could stage manage to procession/turnover of the Archetypes to great effect.

Instead, they mostly settle for trying anything, watching each other obsessively, and mostly replicating whatever worked in the past 30 days.  This is why these archetype projections burn out so quickly, and this is why advertisement gets reduced from cool to cynical quicker than ever.  

An example that comes to mind is the tired "anti-ads" from Sprite, which were unusually bleak and left no room for change or growth -- and to me, all of their failures are Good Things.  Since "success" means huge numbers of people making irrational decisions to waste money on bullshit, it's a tar baby nightmare that not even the allegedly cool and intelligent staff at Adbusters could fight off for more than the first 20 issues or so.  Now they are a joke that can't grok itself, just like any other Madison Avenue firm.

Personally, I welcome the previous Emo kids aboard: most of them have money and they're easily controlled, plus humans are a pretty decent emergency food source.  I'll be luring them out to my Earthship/meat processing plant with cases of PBR in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that marketers are such venal little herd animals.</p>
<p>The recent emergence of this archetype/trend happened randomly, like they all do, via a &#8220;critical mass&#8221; selection process.  After all, EVERY niche lifestyle, real or manufactured, is on their map and part of their toolkit.  Fortunately, there&#8217;s no high-level co-ordination going, because if they co-operated instead of com-peting, they could stage manage to procession/turnover of the Archetypes to great effect.</p>
<p>Instead, they mostly settle for trying anything, watching each other obsessively, and mostly replicating whatever worked in the past 30 days.  This is why these archetype projections burn out so quickly, and this is why advertisement gets reduced from cool to cynical quicker than ever.  </p>
<p>An example that comes to mind is the tired &#8220;anti-ads&#8221; from Sprite, which were unusually bleak and left no room for change or growth &#8212; and to me, all of their failures are Good Things.  Since &#8220;success&#8221; means huge numbers of people making irrational decisions to waste money on bullshit, it&#8217;s a tar baby nightmare that not even the allegedly cool and intelligent staff at Adbusters could fight off for more than the first 20 issues or so.  Now they are a joke that can&#8217;t grok itself, just like any other Madison Avenue firm.</p>
<p>Personally, I welcome the previous Emo kids aboard: most of them have money and they&#8217;re easily controlled, plus humans are a pretty decent emergency food source.  I&#8217;ll be luring them out to my Earthship/meat processing plant with cases of PBR in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: US Romantic</title>
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		<dc:creator>US Romantic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other big thing to watch out for in these region is the ratcheting up of rhetoric. As corporations coopt authentic subcultures, factions of the counter-culture always push out even further to the edge as a response, which means the language gets punched up several notches on both sides, until there becomes an air of expectancy, danger and anxiety. This is what the police state essentially thrives on... picking up the pieces where lifestyle marketing leads off: as well as using surveillance technologies to further enhance lifestyle marketing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other big thing to watch out for in these region is the ratcheting up of rhetoric. As corporations coopt authentic subcultures, factions of the counter-culture always push out even further to the edge as a response, which means the language gets punched up several notches on both sides, until there becomes an air of expectancy, danger and anxiety. This is what the police state essentially thrives on&#8230; picking up the pieces where lifestyle marketing leads off: as well as using surveillance technologies to further enhance lifestyle marketing&#8230;</p>
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